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Post by walterpaisley on Nov 15, 2023 10:16:01 GMT
We once flew a swastika over a Welsh Water sewage farm. For a TV show, obviously.
Didn't half get some stares from passing drivers and walkers, though..
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 15, 2023 11:45:04 GMT
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 15, 2023 12:49:52 GMT
At least they refrained from depicting a swastika, inserting a Maltese cross instead.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 15, 2023 13:07:02 GMT
At least they refrained from depicting a swastika, inserting a Maltese cross instead. They didn't in the series itself.  ![]() After finishing the show all the Nazi props were destroyed rather than auctioned off as is often the case. Even the shelving was designed in Bauhaus style swastikas. Unfortunately the set design was better than the plots.  ![]() |
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Post by walterpaisley on Nov 15, 2023 15:05:54 GMT
A friend once had the task of turning a 1970s Manchester social housing development into 1950s Soviet Moscow, with the aid of little more than a few well-placed banners and a bit of street furniture.
It was a bit depressing see how convincing was the end result.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 15, 2023 15:43:15 GMT
A friend once had the task of turning a 1970s Manchester social housing development into 1950s Soviet Moscow, with the aid of little more than a few well-placed banners and a bit of street furniture. It was a bit depressing see how convincing was the end result. I did a TV cop show once where they had to shoot on the roof of a high rise in a run down housing estate. I took some flasks of tea and coffee up to them and the pigeon shit was about 6 inches deep on every surface. The smell was unbelievable. I forget what it was now. Might have been Merseybeat. I saw a lot of Liverpool on that show and was not very impressed. There were still some streets burnt out from the Toxteth riots 20 years earlier. Little kids used to stand on the side of busy roads throwing bricks at passing vehicles. If the Scots ever get independence we should make it a condition that they take Liverpool with them. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 15, 2023 15:43:27 GMT
As I say I am not an expert on the Great Wolverhampton Turban Scandal or on the Sikh religion. I believe but might be wrong that some (or all) Sikh men are required by their religion to wear a head covering - a Turban. If you legislate to prevent them in a certain job , that precludes them from working in that role unless they are prepared to compromise their religious beliefs. It feels right (and indeed might well be a legal requirement) for the rules to be changed to accommodate this. I don't think that is a good analogy for the issue in the Great Shrewsbury Taxi Regulations Scandal where one individual wants to display a flag but the Councils regulations for taxis proscribe this. While it might be desirable for the individual to show his flag, there is nothing making it hard or impossible for him to work as a taxi driver if it is banned. That is not necessarily to say that the rule should not be changed. As I said at the start of this thread, frankly I am not overly bothered each way. Clearly the Council should not ignore its own rule while it exists but it is perfectly free to do so if it so wishes. Which then leads us and them to work out what any change should be and where you draw the line. I have sort of asked you before but I'll ask you explicitly this time Where do you feel, if you feel their rules should be changed, the line should now be drawn. Wherever you draw the line how do you justify the next one on the list being banned Union Jack English flag Scottish Saltire Shrewsbury Town Fc Polish flag Palestinian/Israeli Flag Vote Tory/Labour/Reform/Lib Dem poster Confederate flag Ku Klux klan flag Its quite simple Dappy. You apply to the council with you proposed design and they say yes or no. That's how it is with shop front design. I assure you that if I wished to include the KKK flag in our window display the council would place a banning order in days. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 15, 2023 16:20:22 GMT
Yes or No assessed against what criteria?
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Post by zanygame on Nov 15, 2023 16:46:31 GMT
Yes or No assessed against what criteria? There is no criteria. With a shop front design. You are given guidelines but they are the usual council incredibly vague like this: rhythm within the street
Consideration of the character of the area is no less important. It is insufficient to
look at the host building in isolation as this is just one component of the street
scene. The scale and rhythm of the street is dictated by the sum of the individual
parts, accepting that there will always be exceptions (buildings that are either wildly
over or under-scaled) in an otherwise, balanced and consistent townscape.
In the end you put in your proposal and they say yes or no. The same would apply to taxi embellishments. There would be vague guidelines about not being offensive or likely to cause distraction to other drivers or upset to passengers, but nothing you could pin down. In the end you put in your proposal and they say yes or no. Have you ever dealt with a public body on something legal? |
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Post by dappy on Nov 15, 2023 17:05:14 GMT
In terms of your last question. Yes regularly.
The idea that the council would have the resources to individually consider designs for decorating taxis is in itself naive.
The idea that even if it did whether to accept or not would be entirely at the whim of a council official without any criteria to assess against is simply not the way it works. Perhaps the council official hails from Liverpool and is minded to accept Everton flags but not Liverpool FC flags. Just wouldn't happen.
And your scheme seems to be getting away from the expressed desire of uniformity of taxi appearance into some sort of free for all controlled only by the random mood on the day of a council official acting in blissful isolation.
Zany, with respect, might be time to stop digging.
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 15, 2023 22:10:57 GMT
Military vehicles display front and rear union jack decals wherever they are in the world, including the UK. I wonder how many councils secretly object to such a flagrant display of pride and colonianism, not to mention the hurt and offence caused to oppressed minorities.  I suspect quite a few |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 15, 2023 22:16:51 GMT
A friend once had the task of turning a 1970s Manchester social housing development into 1950s Soviet Moscow, with the aid of little more than a few well-placed banners and a bit of street furniture. It was a bit depressing see how convincing was the end result. Oh I don't know - Stanley Kubrick turned the abandoned Beckton Gas Works into Vietnam.. Now that was impressive. Turning a crappy British Council Housing estate into a crappy Russian Council Housing estate was not hard work - they were after all both designed by people with the same political and social outlook. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 15, 2023 23:26:28 GMT
In terms of your last question. Yes regularly. The idea that the council would have the resources to individually consider designs for decorating taxis is in itself naive. The idea that even if it did whether to accept or not would be entirely at the whim of a council official without any criteria to assess against is simply not the way it works. Perhaps the council official hails from Liverpool and is minded to accept Everton flags but not Liverpool FC flags. Just wouldn't happen. And your scheme seems to be getting away from the expressed desire of uniformity of taxi appearance into some sort of free for all controlled only by the random mood on the day of a council official acting in blissful isolation. Zany, with respect, might be time to stop digging. You clearly haven't. Councils have oodles of time to turn down and suggest amendments to any number of planning issues. They don't have time to deal with vagrants or clear broken glass but they most certainly can offer tons of correspondence on what your shop/taxi should look like. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 16, 2023 8:39:49 GMT
Zany, with genuine respect, it feels like you are allowing your evident antipathy towards local councils to cloud your judgement in respect of the Great Shrewsbury Taxi Licensing Scandal. It does rather feel that you believe you and your company should be able to build what you want where you want ignoring the wishes of the local community expressed through its elected councillors.
For what it is worth, my experience is that you get better results with councils if you listen to what they say, try to understand what they are trying to achieve and work with them to find a mutually acceptable solution
In respect of Taxi Regulations, it is odd that you wish to recreate the planning system you obviously detest for taxi flags rather than simply having a clear simple ban on all such flags.
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Post by walterpaisley on Nov 16, 2023 9:10:17 GMT
A few years back, locally, there was a weird case when Derby City Council ordered cabbies to respray their vehicles because they were the wrong shade of yellow.
That one was generally seen as being a bit picky (I've no idea what the end result was, and Google is no help).
In '97,though,during the election campaign, a driver actually had his licence revoked for driving a cab with "Vote Labour" stickers on it (and it was a Labour authority at that time). Seemed fair enough to me.
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