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Post by happyhornet on Nov 10, 2023 9:22:37 GMT
Remind me again who has been in power for the last 13 years. The problems stem from 1997, the fact the Tories and others have continued this sorry farce, bolstered by an MSN coopeted to the task is a tragedy. Policing of situations is supposed to be even handed. A multitude of people thought the marches are both divisive, racist and intolerant and that easily passes the threshold recommended by McPherson of when to act. We had one complaint as regards the BNP and two people were sent to court for saying things far less abusive and far less intimidating. EDL marches were routed to car parks and kettled or banned outright on the grounds they were intimidating and disruptive. I remember the cries from the left to have them banned outright. Now here we are with anti Jewish protests immersed in the protests and intimidation and thuggery being to the fore and the police are tending to ignore it. When you say a "multitude of people" "Six people have been charged following instances of public disorder and antisocial behaviour during a pro-Palestine march in London on Saturday, the police have said." www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pro-palestine-march-arrests-police-london-b2442082.htmlWhat anti-Jewish protests, intimidation and thuggery are you referring to? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 9:24:57 GMT
I think Braverman is saying all of the right things which sane people can relate to. I'm suspicious, because she's still in a position of power when others would be driven out, but at the same time I actually like her. She certainly exposes the irrational and fanatical lunacy from the Left. But then I don't believe for a minute, your every problem in life stems from the Left of politics, I think you just like to see it that way, because basically you have no control over them. I don't see a problem with them peacefully demonstrating over very obvious wrongs created somewhere in the halls of power, they did it under Covid and have been proven right. They have also been proven wrong over unfettered illegal immigration. So you don't win them all. I am aware that the Left are united in Jew hatred, Sheepy, but this isn't the topic. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 10, 2023 9:27:02 GMT
I think Braverman is saying all of the right things which sane people can relate to. I'm suspicious, because she's still in a position of power when others would be driven out, but at the same time I actually like her. She certainly exposes the irrational and fanatical lunacy from the Left. But then I don't believe for a minute, your every problem in life stems from the Left of politics, I think you just like to see it that way, because basically you have no control over them. I don't see a problem with them peacefully demonstrating over very obvious wrongs created somewhere in the halls of power, they did it under Covid and have been proven right. They have also been proven wrong over unfettered illegal immigration. So you don't win them all. "I don't believe for a minute, your every problem in life stems from the Left of politics" Of course it doesn't, but it's a depressingly common mentality on both the left and the right, perhaps as a means of disassociation from society's problems. The fact is there have been countless right and left wing governments here and abroad. Precisely zero have created utopia. This to me points to a very clear and obvious truth that neither side has all the answers, but they both plough on regardless insisting with zero evidence that their way is the right and only way. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 9:38:42 GMT
It's amazing how you can come up with so much bollocks over a postive view toward Braverman.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 10, 2023 9:48:07 GMT
The left believe that the police are racist/sexist/overly harsh on minorities. The right believe that the police are woke/soft and afraid to deal with offending by minorities.
The police can never deliver quality policing while trying to satisfy both.
And we, as a society, will never get quality policing if we can't even agree what quality policing looks like.
Meanwhile, we get the policing we deserve.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 10, 2023 10:34:21 GMT
No I don't. You made that up. apologies I thought I'd addressed that to Orac. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 10, 2023 10:42:21 GMT
The left believe that the police are racist/sexist/overly harsh on minorities. The right believe that the police are woke/soft and afraid to deal with offending by minorities. The police can never deliver quality policing while trying to satisfy both. And we, as a society, will never get quality policing if we can't even agree what quality policing looks like. Meanwhile, we get the policing we deserve. I don't think the public overall are all that confused - they want a police force to deal with the criminality that concerns them (theft, violence, fraud). This is also what they feel they are paying for in their taxes. The pressure to do 'something else' seems to be coming from various Marxist activist groups and the establishment. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 10, 2023 10:56:04 GMT
The left believe that the police are racist/sexist/overly harsh on minorities. The right believe that the police are woke/soft and afraid to deal with offending by minorities. The police can never deliver quality policing while trying to satisfy both. And we, as a society, will never get quality policing if we can't even agree what quality policing looks like. Meanwhile, we get the policing we deserve. I don't think the public overall are all that confused - they want a police force to deal with the criminality that concerns them (theft, violence, fraud). This is also what they feel they are paying for in their taxes. The pressure to do 'something else' seems to be coming from various Marxist activist groups and the establishment. I don't entirely disagree. However we live in a representative democracy. And we share some of the culpability in terms of whom we choose to represent us and who they, in turn, choose to listen to. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 10, 2023 11:03:22 GMT
I don't think the public overall are all that confused - they want a police force to deal with the criminality that concerns them (theft, violence, fraud). This is also what they feel they are paying for in their taxes. The pressure to do 'something else' seems to be coming from various Marxist activist groups and the establishment. I don't entirely disagree. However we live in a representative democracy. And we share some of the culpability in terms of whom we choose to represent us and who they, in turn, choose to listen to. NOT when the scum lie through their fucking teeth to get re elected we dont The shitbag who has been the half an MP for this cesspit lied through her teeth that it was vital that the will of the people be listened to in her 2017 manifesto and the moment she got her arse back on tbe green leather plotted with the scumbag speskercand Soros’s poodle miller to do the exact opposite. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 11:28:40 GMT
No they are not - I for one support the march for peace, and I support the ending of the Israeli bombing of Gaza, as do many Jews around the world. I would never support any organisation that butchers innocent civilians, no matter what religion, creed or race they were. Why don't they have this so called 'peaceful march' on Sunday.
Why have a 'peaceful march' on the very day of Armistice
Armistice
temporary stopping of open acts of warfare by agreement between the opponents : truce
So show some fucking respect.
I would oppose a peace march on Sunday - Because Sunday is the main day for the Remembrance Weekend (Remembrance Sunday), when the official state event takes place, and with thousands of veterans, servicemen and spectators. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 10, 2023 11:37:18 GMT
Why don't they have this so called 'peaceful march' on Sunday.
Why have a 'peaceful march' on the very day of Armistice
Armistice
temporary stopping of open acts of warfare by agreement between the opponents : truce
So show some fucking respect.
I would oppose a peace march on Sunday - Because Sunday is the main day for the Remembrance Weekend (Remembrance Sunday), when the official state event takes place, and with thousands of veterans, servicemen and spectators. Agree, I think it's inappropriate for a march any time this weekend, and if people had a spark of decency and respect about them, they would do the right thing, and cancel any planned march. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Nov 10, 2023 11:57:45 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 10, 2023 11:58:40 GMT
I would oppose a peace march on Sunday - Because Sunday is the main day for the Remembrance Weekend (Remembrance Sunday), when the official state event takes place, and with thousands of veterans, servicemen and spectators. Agree, I think it's inappropriate for a march any time this weekend, and if people had a spark of decency and respect about them, they would do the right thing, and cancel any planned march. I agree and I think it's clear that the timing of this march was entirely deliberate. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 10, 2023 12:04:00 GMT
Agree, I think it's inappropriate for a march any time this weekend, and if people had a spark of decency and respect about them, they would do the right thing, and cancel any planned march. I agree and I think it's clear that the timing of this march was entirely deliberate. If that's the case, its organisation carries anti-British sentiments as well as anti-Israeli etc Intersectionality and all that. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 10, 2023 12:11:24 GMT
Undoubtedly it does.
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