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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 12:15:22 GMT
For the police to ask, or recommend that any march or protest be banned, they must have a specific reason or inteligence which suggests or points to potential trouble, violence, public disorder or threat to the general public.
The fact that it is Remembrance Weekend is not a valid reason, but would have been if the march had been proposed for Remembrance Sunday.
Please let common sense prevail - we thankfully live in the kind of society which many in the world would love to live in.
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Post by Orac on Nov 10, 2023 12:28:58 GMT
Thee is no rule or law that states armistice day is, or isn't, 'valid'. The whole thing is a matter of judgment.
Bad judgment from an incompetent establishment.
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Post by Hutchyns on Nov 10, 2023 13:02:55 GMT
You can't keep everyone happy, but I can't see much wrong with the timing. A 12.45pm set off from Hyde Park should allow anyone intending or not attending the march to observe the 11am silence as usual. If the day/date is what is meant by 'timing', while it's the usual Saturday march .....  .... however the added poignancy of calling for an Armistice on what is actually Armistice Day is bound to draw an even larger crowd than for previous Saturdays. 'No calls for Armistice on Armistice Day' looks a bit desperate as well as faintly comical, and even sections of the Media were found to be wrongly thinking the March was on the same day as Remembrance Sunday. Here's a snippet from the link Red Rackham provided us with, taking us to Monday's Daily Express:  The very thought of banning an Armistice march on Armistice Day ...... so preposterous you couldn't make it up  .... not preposterous in Britain 2023 unfortunately, but it's worth noting the Express don't know their arse from their elbow, let alone Armistice Day from Remembrance Sunday. Of more importance to us, and of greater practical use to honour the memory of those who lost their lives in the Wars, is to refuse to acquiesce to the those who would put a halt to our traditional freedom of protest .... maintaining those liberties, and getting the police to uphold those liberties is something not to let go of in order to ensure the Police have an easier Saturday afternoon. If there are thugs trying to close down the right to protest, then Rowley and his Met men must act as required. Voices have a right to be heard, and those advocating the heavy hand of the law to silence them ...must be resisted ....as today's Daily Mirror, to its credit, uses its front page to remind us.  |
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Post by Orac on Nov 10, 2023 13:16:41 GMT
Asking for an 'armistice', cease fire or peace on their terms is, of course, what every antagonist in just about every war does.
The march should be judged on appropriateness of placing and likelihood to cause violence or offence.....because that's how these things are typically judged.
Pushing the concerns and priorities of the British public to one side so third would immigrants can whine - on that day - about their struggle with another tribe over a patch of desert, in my view, sends a message to the British public. It is likely being received btw.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 13:28:58 GMT
For the police to ask, or recommend that any march or protest be banned, they must have a specific reason or intelligence which suggests or points to potential trouble, violence, public disorder or threat to the general public. The fact that it is Remembrance Weekend is not a valid reason, but would have been if the march had been proposed for Remembrance Sunday. Please let common sense prevail - we thankfully live in the kind of society which many in the world would love to live in. I hope we don't regret this freedom and common sense - if it results in a bloodbath. Being killed or injured does tend to restrict one's rights and freedoms. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 10, 2023 13:44:28 GMT
Sadiq Kahn has suggested that Armistice day be moved.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 10, 2023 13:49:42 GMT
Who's "We"? You have the policing you deserve. You chose it. Remind me again who has been in power for the last 13 years. The tories but blocked every step of the way by the loony left. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 10, 2023 13:52:34 GMT
Remind me again who has been in power for the last 13 years. The tories but blocked every step of the way by the loony left. Even with an 80 seat majority? That would make them either complicit or incompetent. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 10, 2023 13:53:06 GMT
Sadiq Kahn has suggested that Armistice day be moved. It's also been suggested that Kahn be moved. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 10, 2023 13:54:21 GMT
The tories but blocked every step of the way by the loony left. That would make them either complicit or incompetent. The day the government are in charge and not the fucking establishment hell will freeze over. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 10, 2023 13:55:32 GMT
Sadiq Kahn has suggested that Armistice day be moved. It's also been suggested that Kahn be moved. To the dark side of the moon would do as starters mate. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 10, 2023 13:58:08 GMT
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 10, 2023 14:00:42 GMT
It's also been suggested that Kahn be moved. To the dark side of the moon would do as starters mate. LOL ... yeah |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 10, 2023 14:29:35 GMT
The tories but blocked every step of the way by the loony left. Even with an 80 seat majority? That would make them either complicit or incompetent. Having a seat majority doesnt equate to a dictatorship. There are still checks and balances and the civil service , judiciary and lords can frustrate government. A majority means that you win the vote when the vote takes place , nothing more ..as ex remainers know so well . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 10, 2023 14:38:38 GMT
Who's "We"? You have the policing you deserve. You chose it. Remind me again who has been in power for the last 13 years. You assume that the rot started 13 years ago, but it started a lot further back than that. |
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.... not preposterous in Britain 2023 unfortunately, but it's worth noting the Express don't know their arse from their elbow, let alone Armistice Day from Remembrance Sunday. 
