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Post by buccaneer on Oct 30, 2023 6:38:26 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Oct 30, 2023 10:03:18 GMT
Prior to this Europhiles were like "EU negotiating free trade agreement with Australia = good, UK doing the same = bad".
Not so gobby now are they?
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Post by patman post on Oct 30, 2023 12:02:18 GMT
Prior to this Europhiles were like "EU negotiating free trade agreement with Australia = good, UK doing the same = bad". Not so gobby now are they? What are/were the benefits to the UK of it having a FTA with Australia? Australia wins hands down across most of its produce and raw materials, and UK shoppers benefit, but what do UK farmers and other producers get out of it…? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 30, 2023 12:07:11 GMT
Firstly better diplomatic relations with the rest of the Commonwealth.
2nd great for shoppers.
3rd better for exporters too.
When we were in the EU our farmers faced huge competition from farmers in the rest of the EU so don't pretend you're on their side now.
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Post by bancroft on Oct 30, 2023 12:24:36 GMT
It is due to countries in the EU having different interests and agreeing to what the deal would comprise.
You have to laugh after all the little Englander stick we got a couple of years back.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 30, 2023 14:11:21 GMT
EU = One size fits none.
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 31, 2023 6:29:04 GMT
Prior to this Europhiles were like "EU negotiating free trade agreement with Australia = good, UK doing the same = bad". Not so gobby now are they? What are/were the benefits to the UK of it having a FTA with Australia? Australia wins hands down across most of its produce and raw materials, and UK shoppers benefit, but what do UK farmers and other producers get out of it…? Why shouldn't millions upon millions of consumers benefit from cheaper food, especially during the cost of living crisis? |
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 31, 2023 7:37:03 GMT
Prior to this Europhiles were like "EU negotiating free trade agreement with Australia = good, UK doing the same = bad". Not so gobby now are they? What are/were the benefits to the UK of it having a FTA with Australia? Australia wins hands down across most of its produce and raw materials, and UK shoppers benefit, but what do UK farmers and other producers get out of it…? More or less sums it up . There is little benefit to Farmers in the deal though at the same time there is little harm On the grand scale of things Australia is a small market , for me it opens the door to the greater CPTPP which is expected to be a major world market in the coming decades . It does show though that bi-lateral trade deals are a lot easier to get over the line than ones involving large protectionist trade blocs |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 31, 2023 13:18:48 GMT
Spare a thought for this bunch of lunatics at this sad time.
We're open and outward looking and they're the ones left looking insular and xenophobic.
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Post by bancroft on Oct 31, 2023 14:02:21 GMT
What are/were the benefits to the UK of it having a FTA with Australia? Australia wins hands down across most of its produce and raw materials, and UK shoppers benefit, but what do UK farmers and other producers get out of it…? Why shouldn't millions upon millions of consumers benefit from cheaper food, especially during the cost of living crisis? I would expect we export military products and niche food items like HP sauce. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 31, 2023 14:09:46 GMT
HP Sauce is made in the Netherlands. Has been since 2005, the foreign owners decided it was cheaper to employ Dutch workers than Brits.
Back when we were in the EU, a lot of that kind of thing happened.
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Post by bancroft on Oct 31, 2023 18:10:59 GMT
HP Sauce is made in the Netherlands. Has been since 2005, the foreign owners decided it was cheaper to employ Dutch workers than Brits.
Back when we were in the EU, a lot of that kind of thing happened.
Perhaps we put a mark up on it  |
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Post by patman post on Oct 31, 2023 20:08:17 GMT
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Post by patman post on Oct 31, 2023 20:16:47 GMT
….. better diplomatic relations with the rest of the Commonwealth. [snipped] OK, give you that. But how much longer will the Commonwealth want or need the UK…? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 31, 2023 20:45:53 GMT
Company insolvencies are due to oil, fuel and electricity costs as well as taxes.
Nothing to do with Brexit.
Try running one.
The pandemic and the war in Ukraine have far reaching consequences.
The USA has the same problem, it was never in the EU.
Germany has the same problem and recession has been an additional problem.
And a lot of companies did go under when we were in the EU, although the ones who relocated to the continent had the same effect on their staff.
The high pound was a factor.
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