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Post by thomas on Oct 28, 2023 15:09:28 GMT
Former first minister candidate Ash Regan has resigned from the SNP to join the Alba Party.
Regan announced her switch to Alba, the party founded by former first minister Alex Salmond, on Saturday.
She will now be Alba’s first and only MSP and has been given the title of Holyrood leader for the party.
Announcing the move, she said had a “clear focus on reinvigorating the cause of Independence”.
Regan, who secured just over 11% of the votes when she stood in the race to succeed Nicola Sturgeon earlier this year, said she was defecting from the SNP because it had “lost its focus”.
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Post by om15 on Oct 28, 2023 15:17:03 GMT
It is a blow to Humza but in practical terms won't make too much difference in the long term, she will probably be ousted by a Labour candidate in the election, but meanwhile it will give Alex Weinstein something to chortle about.
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Post by thomas on Oct 28, 2023 16:34:41 GMT
It is a blow to Humza but in practical terms won't make too much difference in the long term, she will probably be ousted by a Labour candidate in the election, but meanwhile it will give Alex Weinstein something to chortle about. knowing your luck ommy , we are just about to witness history repeating itself , where just as the brit nats thought the empire and the celtic colonies were safe , the snp (like the old irish party )are possibly going to be repleaced by alba( like sinn fein did all those years ago ) and the scottish colony will be off like our irish brothers a century ago.
Alex weinstein? I think you have enough to worry about with all the beasts in that tory party of yours. Salmond faced the music and was found innocent ommy , the likes of blunt have still to face the strong arm of the law.
It must be hard trying to sleep at night wondering how much longer the empire can stumble on like a drunken man crashing into tables and chairs. Still , not long now fellow european till sir keir "makes brexit work"  |
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Post by om15 on Oct 28, 2023 16:45:27 GMT
I sleep like a baby, we have a Tory Government with a huge majority, a collapsing and divided opposition and a proven disaster of devolution putting back independence for centuries. If your man Humza would like to increase the Muslim population in Scotland just say the word, we can bus a couple of million up to help out.
Don't be too distressed, we are all in it together.
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Post by Ripley on Oct 28, 2023 19:04:54 GMT
Former first minister candidate Ash Regan has resigned from the SNP to join the Alba Party.
Regan announced her switch to Alba, the party founded by former first minister Alex Salmond, on Saturday.
She will now be Alba’s first and only MSP and has been given the title of Holyrood leader for the party.
Announcing the move, she said had a “clear focus on reinvigorating the cause of Independence”.
Regan, who secured just over 11% of the votes when she stood in the race to succeed Nicola Sturgeon earlier this year, said she was defecting from the SNP because it had “lost its focus”.
Interesting. Do you expect others to follow her? |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 28, 2023 21:44:04 GMT
Former first minister candidate Ash Regan has resigned from the SNP to join the Alba Party.
Regan announced her switch to Alba, the party founded by former first minister Alex Salmond, on Saturday.
She will now be Alba’s first and only MSP and has been given the title of Holyrood leader for the party.
Announcing the move, she said had a “clear focus on reinvigorating the cause of Independence”.
Regan, who secured just over 11% of the votes when she stood in the race to succeed Nicola Sturgeon earlier this year, said she was defecting from the SNP because it had “lost its focus”.
Interesting. Do you expect others to follow her? Sure hope so! There are many who are critical of the Party but it remains to be seen if any will have the courage to jump ship. Angus MacNeil left the party but did not join Alba. I have wondered why he is now sitting as an Independent and will be standing at next year's GE as an Independent, although he has the backing of Alba who will not be putting forward a candidate for the Western Isles constituency. Another malcontent is Fergus Ewing but it remains to be seen if he'll actually leave his 'political home'. He certainly has been very critical of the Party and also the coalition with the Greens who he has called 'extremists' and 'wine bar revolutionaries'. And what about Joanna Cherry? Sho publicly backed Ash Regan in the leadership campaign. Cherry has had her run ins with the leadership mainly about the lack of support for the attacks on her by the Trans lobby, both in and out of the Party. She had to get police protection. She didn't make the move then, perhaps she'll remain and fight with other fundamentalists to bring the party back to where it should be - focusing on Independence, rather than the devolutionism that seems to have gripped the Party since Sturgeon took over. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 29, 2023 10:01:15 GMT
I sleep like a baby, we have a Tory Government with a huge majority, a collapsing and divided opposition and a proven disaster of devolution putting back independence for centuries. If your man Humza would like to increase the Muslim population in Scotland just say the word, we can bus a couple of million up to help out. Don't be too distressed, we are all in it together. ommy , back down here on planet earth , you have a tory government that will last another year before parliament is automatically dissolved on 17 december 2024. You may currently have a large majority , which of course was won off the back of brexit , not the populaces love of the tories themselves , and labour rightly or wrongly have been consistently in a lead now over the tories for the last two years such is the publics dissatisfaction with your government and the leader no one in the tory party even elected .
Im no fan of starmer and new labour as you well know , but this is laughable. I would argue the tories are more divided and close to collapsing than labour , with suggestions letters are going in from the rats on the sinking ship about rishis poor excuse for leadership.
I agree i wouldnt rule out starmer , as he often does , shooting himself in both feet before the open goal , but its hard to see any way the tories are going to get out of the mess they are in.
Eh? how many times do we need to point out the majority of scots back holyrood , with barely 8 % against devolution? Devolution isnt putting independence back ommy , its enhancing the support for independence hence why yourself and your fellow countrymen are so angry about it and against it.
im perfectly calm ommy. From what i can see , its your end where everything is falling apart. Brexit in its last days , support for scottish indy remaining firm in all polls , the irish about to leave , no return of the promised land and the empire further away than ever before and fast becoming a long forgotten page in some history book.
never mind mate. You have brexit in name only to look forward to in roughly 12 months time. Then we can all be in europe together fellow european.
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Post by thomas on Oct 29, 2023 10:12:16 GMT
Former first minister candidate Ash Regan has resigned from the SNP to join the Alba Party.
Regan announced her switch to Alba, the party founded by former first minister Alex Salmond, on Saturday.
She will now be Alba’s first and only MSP and has been given the title of Holyrood leader for the party.
Announcing the move, she said had a “clear focus on reinvigorating the cause of Independence”.
Regan, who secured just over 11% of the votes when she stood in the race to succeed Nicola Sturgeon earlier this year, said she was defecting from the SNP because it had “lost its focus”.
Interesting. Do you expect others to follow her? i think morays post has largely covered your question ripley. Rumours have been going around for a while now about the rats leaving the sinking ship.
I agree with what the scottish indy blogger stuart campbell at wings wrote , that yousaf was looking vaguely statesmanlike regarding the middle east events , then put both his feet in it and came across as a petulant child regarding ash regans defection.
Scottish History isnt going to be very kind to nicola sturgeon , and im still wondering the motives behind the severe damage she has done to the snp and wider indy cause.
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Post by thomas on Oct 29, 2023 10:14:49 GMT
Could Ash Regan’s defection be the beginning of the end for Humza Yousaf?
"To describe the state of the SNP as a dog’s breakfast would be defamatory to Pedigree Chum... Yousaf has no means of taking the nationalist cause beyond where Sturgeon left it, dumped by the side of the road, bloodied and broken."
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Post by Ripley on Oct 29, 2023 14:11:50 GMT
Interesting. Do you expect others to follow her? Sure hope so! There are many who are critical of the Party but it remains to be seen if any will have the courage to jump ship. Angus MacNeil left the party but did not join Alba. I have wondered why he is now sitting as an Independent and will be standing at next year's GE as an Independent, although he has the backing of Alba who will not be putting forward a candidate for the Western Isles constituency. Another malcontent is Fergus Ewing but it remains to be seen if he'll actually leave his 'political home'. He certainly has been very critical of the Party and also the coalition with the Greens who he has called 'extremists' and 'wine bar revolutionaries'. And what about Joanna Cherry? Sho publicly backed Ash Regan in the leadership campaign. Cherry has had her run ins with the leadership mainly about the lack of support for the attacks on her by the Trans lobby, both in and out of the Party. She had to get police protection. She didn't make the move then, perhaps she'll remain and fight with other fundamentalists to bring the party back to where it should be - focusing on Independence, rather than the devolutionism that seems to have gripped the Party since Sturgeon took over. Are you at all worried that the fallout from the SNP shenanigans will fragment the independence movement? It would be better for all the indy supporters to coalesce around their common goal, wouldn't it? I like Cherry. She does seem more intelligent and informed than Yousaf and I would have preferred to see her as party leader but I understand why she couldn't compete. Coming up against the trans lobby might hurt her in the long run. They're a small minority but every vote counts. Still, I think she is a valuable asset. |
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Post by Ripley on Oct 29, 2023 14:15:56 GMT
Interesting. Do you expect others to follow her? i think morays post has largely covered your question ripley. Rumours have been going around for a while now about the rats leaving the sinking ship.
I agree with what the scottish indy blogger stuart campbell at wings wrote , that yousaf was looking vaguely statesmanlike regarding the middle east events , then put both his feet in it and came across as a petulant child regarding ash regans defection.
Scottish History isnt going to be very kind to nicola sturgeon , and im still wondering the motives behind the severe damage she has done to the snp and wider indy cause.
Yes, I see Yousaf's statement regarding Regan's defection sounded a bit peeved and churlish. Pete Wishart seems to be in agreement with him, saying Regan’s move to Alba was was entirely predictable, and perhaps suggesting that gaining status by becoming Alba’s leader at Holyrood was her motive. Do you think she should resign her seat? |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 29, 2023 19:23:48 GMT
Sure hope so! There are many who are critical of the Party but it remains to be seen if any will have the courage to jump ship. Angus MacNeil left the party but did not join Alba. I have wondered why he is now sitting as an Independent and will be standing at next year's GE as an Independent, although he has the backing of Alba who will not be putting forward a candidate for the Western Isles constituency. Another malcontent is Fergus Ewing but it remains to be seen if he'll actually leave his 'political home'. He certainly has been very critical of the Party and also the coalition with the Greens who he has called 'extremists' and 'wine bar revolutionaries'. And what about Joanna Cherry? Sho publicly backed Ash Regan in the leadership campaign. Cherry has had her run ins with the leadership mainly about the lack of support for the attacks on her by the Trans lobby, both in and out of the Party. She had to get police protection. She didn't make the move then, perhaps she'll remain and fight with other fundamentalists to bring the party back to where it should be - focusing on Independence, rather than the devolutionism that seems to have gripped the Party since Sturgeon took over. Are you at all worried that the fallout from the SNP shenanigans will fragment the independence movement? It would be better for all the indy supporters to coalesce around their common goal, wouldn't it? I like Cherry. She does seem more intelligent and informed than Yousaf and I would have preferred to see her as party leader but I understand why she couldn't compete. Coming up against the trans lobby might hurt her in the long run. They're a small minority but every vote counts. Still, I think she is a valuable asset. It has already fragmented the movement but it has little to do, I believe, with the police investigations. The fragmentation has come about simply because the SNP, under Sturgeon, has not brought us anywhere near the SNPs supposed target of Independence. For instance, when the Brexit results came in and we had voted Remain but were dragged out of the EU by English votes, she had us convinced something was going to happen, only to backtrack when the polls did not stay favourable. We were marched up to the top of the hill ... Thousands of activists left the party because they felt let down by the inaction, the mentioning of Independence only at election time (in 2015 and 2017 it was barely mentioned. In fact, in 2015 we were told the election was not about Independence and in 2017 it was a matter of "we're not talking about Independence": a message that backfired badly). Come the election I will vote SNP because it is a FPTP contest. Alex Salmond, in 2021, asked all Alba members to vote SNP in the constituency vote. I think that will happen again next year. Apart from the two seats they hold, I can't see any other constituencies being contested by Alba. As well as the furore over lack of progress, the Gender Recognition issue has blown open a wide chasm. The Party leadership are very much in favour but many of the rank & file are not so sure and I think the general public have yet to be convinced. |
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Post by Ripley on Oct 29, 2023 19:32:29 GMT
Are you at all worried that the fallout from the SNP shenanigans will fragment the independence movement? It would be better for all the indy supporters to coalesce around their common goal, wouldn't it? I like Cherry. She does seem more intelligent and informed than Yousaf and I would have preferred to see her as party leader but I understand why she couldn't compete. Coming up against the trans lobby might hurt her in the long run. They're a small minority but every vote counts. Still, I think she is a valuable asset. It has already fragmented the movement but it has little to do, I believe, with the police investigations. The fragmentation has come about simply because the SNP, under Sturgeon, has not brought us anywhere near the SNPs supposed target of Independence. For instance, when the Brexit results came in and we had voted Remain but were dragged out of the EU by English votes, she had us convinced something was going to happen, only to backtrack when the polls did not stay favourable. We were marched up to the top of the hill ... Thousands of activists left the party because they felt let down by the inaction, the mentioning of Independence only at election time (in 2015 and 2017 it was barely mentioned. In fact, in 2015 we were told the election was not about Independence and in 2017 it was a matter of "we're not talking about Independence": a message that backfired badly). Come the election I will vote SNP because it is a FPTP contest. Alex Salmond, in 2021, asked all Alba members to vote SNP in the constituency vote. I think that will happen again next year. Apart from the two seats they hold, I can't see any other constituencies being contested by Alba. As well as the furore over lack of progress, the Gender Recognition issue has blown open a wide chasm. The Party leadership are very much in favour but many of the rank & file are not so sure and I think the general public have yet to be convinced. Is Alba any closer to actually making something happen ? How do they propose to do what the SNP couldn't, ie overcome Westminster's position on indyref2? |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 29, 2023 20:18:21 GMT
It has already fragmented the movement but it has little to do, I believe, with the police investigations. The fragmentation has come about simply because the SNP, under Sturgeon, has not brought us anywhere near the SNPs supposed target of Independence. For instance, when the Brexit results came in and we had voted Remain but were dragged out of the EU by English votes, she had us convinced something was going to happen, only to backtrack when the polls did not stay favourable. We were marched up to the top of the hill ... Thousands of activists left the party because they felt let down by the inaction, the mentioning of Independence only at election time (in 2015 and 2017 it was barely mentioned. In fact, in 2015 we were told the election was not about Independence and in 2017 it was a matter of "we're not talking about Independence": a message that backfired badly). Come the election I will vote SNP because it is a FPTP contest. Alex Salmond, in 2021, asked all Alba members to vote SNP in the constituency vote. I think that will happen again next year. Apart from the two seats they hold, I can't see any other constituencies being contested by Alba. As well as the furore over lack of progress, the Gender Recognition issue has blown open a wide chasm. The Party leadership are very much in favour but many of the rank & file are not so sure and I think the general public have yet to be convinced. Is Alba any closer to actually making something happen ? How do they propose to do what the SNP couldn't, ie overcome Westminster's position on indyref2? Alba came into existence to pressure the SNP to get back on track. It didn't put up any candidates in the constituency section in 2021, preferring to contest the list. Had SNP supporters not swallowed the party mantra, of both votes SNP, and followed Salmond's advice to vote Alba in the list, we would have had a huge majority of pro-indy MSPs. What happened? The SNP got over a million votes but only two additional MSPs. Alba is a very small Party. Its support is around 3%, roughly similar to the early SNP. Its membership however is higher and it has many ex SNP activists. So it could be a contender especially if the SNP can't halt the damage done because of its drift away from fighting for Independence. This link shows what Alba intends doing www.albaparty.org/scotlands_strategy |
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Post by Ripley on Oct 29, 2023 21:10:55 GMT
Is Alba any closer to actually making something happen ? How do they propose to do what the SNP couldn't, ie overcome Westminster's position on indyref2? Alba came into existence to pressure the SNP to get back on track. It didn't put up any candidates in the constituency section in 2021, preferring to contest the list. Had SNP supporters not swallowed the party mantra, of both votes SNP, and followed Salmond's advice to vote Alba in the list, we would have had a huge majority of pro-indy MSPs. What happened? The SNP got over a million votes but only two additional MSPs. Alba is a very small Party. Its support is around 3%, roughly similar to the early SNP. Its membership however is higher and it has many ex SNP activists. So it could be a contender especially if the SNP can't halt the damage done because of its drift away from fighting for Independence. This link shows what the SNP intends doing www.albaparty.org/scotlands_strategyAt least they have some sort of plan. Loved the video. Mr. Hoyle certainly gets hot under the collar, doesn't he? He makes his predecessor look positively docile by comparison. |
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