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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 24, 2023 18:48:33 GMT
Last night HS2 was accused of covering up the true costs of the high-speed rail line by telling staff to lie in a bid to keep billions flowing into the project. Whistleblowers from HS2 Ltd said senior management told them to lie about the costs of HS2 and claimed they were sacked after raising their concerns. They claim that parliament wasn't aware of the real costs of HS2 when voting on laws relating to the project, with one whistleblower calling it 'a fraud against the British people'. As the costs spiralled, bosses allegedly shredded documents and sacked those who raised concerns to keep the project alive. The internal fraud unit at HS2 is now investigating allegations that the company covered up the true cost of the project. The company denies any wrongdoing. link
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 24, 2023 20:28:02 GMT
I watched an interview on GB News with a chap called Andrew Bruce who is a chartered civil engineer and was employed by HS2 to buy properties along the route the line would take. He had a budget of £2.8 billion. He said the scheme involved buying 13,000 properties many of which were large country properties that were very expensive.
He said after a while it became obvious that the £2.8 billion budget was wildly optimistic and estimated £4.8 billion was more realistic. To get costs under control he was told to value one third of the properties at £0, he was also told to shred the findings of a multi million pound investigation into HS2 costs. (God knows how HS2 thought they were going to dig themselves out of it)
Andrew Bruce became very disillusioned, just before he was about to give a verbal progress report to the Dept of Transport, he was escorted off site by HS2 security. A week later he was told he was dismissed, no reason was given.
Belive me, the police will be forced to get involved in this.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 24, 2023 21:24:45 GMT
Everyone knew at the beginning that it was going to be a white elephant and cost billions more than promised - but Politicians do like their train sets and playing the fat controller.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 25, 2023 1:37:11 GMT
If the £billions that have been pumped into vanity project HS2 had been spent on upgrading Victorian rail infrastructure, we would have the best rail network in Europe. Sunak was right to scrap it, it should never have been started. However, as the weeks and months move on, I'm sure the pressure to expose large scale fraud will increase.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 25, 2023 3:32:29 GMT
Currently listening to Times Radio. HS2 corruption shit will hit the fan. I'm listening to Chris Grayling (Sec of state for transport 2016 - 2019) who told the house that HS2 was on budget and on course. However, secret tapes show that at the time he knew it was 60% over budget and he knew whistle blowers were being silenced. Apparently whistle blowers are talking to The Sunday Times.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 25, 2023 3:49:32 GMT
The stretch of HS2 between London and Birmingham has cost £396 million per mile. The cost per mile in France for similar high speed rail is £46 million per mile. We are being ripped off. There needs to be a public enquiry.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 25, 2023 4:10:21 GMT
The stretch of HS2 between London and Birmingham has cost £396 million per mile. The cost per mile in France for similar high speed rail is £46 million per mile. We are being ripped off. There needs to be a public enquiry. Monte, this may be a first. We are in complete agreement. The only thing that HS2 has achieved is lining the pockets of vested interests, and I'm sure in due course those vested interests will be outed. Unfortunately it will take years.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 25, 2023 6:17:06 GMT
I saw that Andrew Bruce interview.
He said he had done the job before, as in he was hired for his experience in ‘negotiating’ compulsory purchase of properties and said it took him less than a week to determine the declared cost was well below, as in, was about half, the actual level of funding needed, and that he was required to sustain the lie in order that MP’s who at the time were yet to vote on the project, would not reject it on cost grounds.
I’m not sure what one could do now but it sure as hell sounded like fraud to me
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Post by wapentake on Oct 25, 2023 6:19:06 GMT
The stretch of HS2 between London and Birmingham has cost £396 million per mile. The cost per mile in France for similar high speed rail is £46 million per mile. We are being ripped off. There needs to be a public enquiry. Monte, this may be a first. We are in complete agreement. The only thing that HS2 has achieved is lining the pockets of vested interests, and I'm sure in due course those vested interests will be outed. Unfortunately it will take years.And nothing will be done.
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Post by sheepy on Oct 25, 2023 7:29:16 GMT
No shit sherlock, how many MPs had their fingers in the pie?
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Post by sheepy on Oct 25, 2023 7:35:26 GMT
Dunno mate, still trying to unravel all of the PPI fraud. On the bright side though Boris finally got himself a nice gaff.
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Post by dappy on Oct 25, 2023 8:11:40 GMT
Its always worth bearing i mind that people like Mr Bruce and Failing Grayling may have agendas of their own for talking to the media now. Was Mr Bruce for example sacked for being a whistleblower or for being useless at his job and wasting lots of money. there were certainly stories many many years ago of land being bought up seemingly out of control by Hs2 miles off the intended route.
While I think it is true that with hindsight we should not have started the HS2 project at least in its current form, that is not necessarily a reason to cancel it halfway through construction. What matters at that stage is the comparative economic benefits of continuing versus cancelling against the extra cost now of continuing versus cancelling. None of us have those figures.
There will undoubtedly be an inquiry. It is very much in Labour's interest to do so as it was a Tory government that ran the project, so highlighting any waste and incompetence would benefit Labour. The question is whether the Tories attempt to limit the inquiry's scope by commissioning it and determining its terms of reference on their watch or whether they judge it better to seek to ignore it until after the next election.
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 25, 2023 8:36:18 GMT
Its a simple fact of politics that when there is vast amounts of other peoples money swishing about there are those who make it their ambition to have some of it Projects like HS2 spend untold millions before they even get out of the drawing office and absolute fortune before a digger is even on site .
At least the Tories have seen it running out of control and put a stop to it, not so sure Labour would have done the same
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 8:55:44 GMT
The stretch of HS2 between London and Birmingham has cost £396 million per mile. The cost per mile in France for similar high speed rail is £46 million per mile. We are being ripped off. There needs to be a public enquiry. Good point, and the Spanish can do it for €25 million per kilometre, (€40 million per mile) so perhaps we should ask them to do it. Budget £50 million and then the Tory's mates can pocket the rest. www.elmundo.es/economia/2018/06/27/5b328f2c22601ded1d8b4602.html
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 25, 2023 10:11:51 GMT
It was a open cheque book from the start for anyone directly involved in the project, all you have to do is take a look at the main players and their financial status now, and make them accountable if they have money (including family members) that can't be accounted for, this isn't just embezzling a few thousand here and there, this is on a fraud scale of multi-millions, and the tax payers demand answers.
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