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Post by Pacifico on Oct 22, 2023 17:05:51 GMT
It should be pointed out on another thread where the claim of 500 killed at the hospital you made multiple posts to downgrade and downplay the numbers,Did you hear yourself? Just asking? You think 500 died from that small explosion in the car park? |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 22, 2023 17:16:10 GMT
From the river to the sea two opposing sets of nutters with the same idea. Benjamin Netanyahu is the most right-wing PM in Israeli history. IMO he is best described as a Fascist. I had not seen anything of the words of the song related to Netanyahu, do you have any evidence of it? I didn’t say Netanyahu said that what I said was this Different if you read it. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 22, 2023 17:17:19 GMT
It should be pointed out on another thread where the claim of 500 killed at the hospital you made multiple posts to downgrade and downplay the numbers,Did you hear yourself? Just asking? You think 500 died from that small explosion in the car park? Diversion from the point made,and you know it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 22, 2023 17:19:11 GMT
You think 500 died from that small explosion in the car park? Diversion from the point made,and you know it. No - you are asking us to believe Hamas. I would just point out that Hamas also claimed they had not killed a single civilian when the invaded Israel on the 7th and slaughtered 1400 people. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 22, 2023 17:38:59 GMT
Diversion from the point made,and you know it. I would just point out that Hamas also claimed they had not killed a single civilian when the invaded Israel on the 7th and slaughtered 1400 people. No I’m not I’m pointing to an inconsistency in your argument. You pulled Monte on the the original attack by posting a link that was basically saying not all were beheaded/raped/burned/murdered etc you question the numbers prompting the quote “do you hear yourselves”
On the question of the hospital we still have no idea who was responsible but you quoted multiple times questioning the numbers killed.I legitimately pointed out that this was the same as you pulled Monte for,you can divert all you like you know full well the point being made. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 22, 2023 17:44:37 GMT
No - you are asking us to believe Hamas. I would just point out that Hamas also claimed they had not killed a single civilian when the invaded Israel on the 7th and slaughtered 1400 people. No I’m not I’m pointing to an inconsistency in your argument. You pulled Monte on the the original attack by posting a link that was basically saying not all were beheaded/raped/burned/murdered etc you question the numbers prompting the quote “do you hear yourselves”
On the question of the hospital we still have no idea who was responsible but you quoted multiple times questioning the numbers killed.I legitimately pointed out that this was the same as you pulled Monte for,you can divert all you like you know full well the point being made. No inconsistency at all - we know that Hamas murdered babies by hacking their heads off. personally I dont care how many babies there were as it is not a competition with a prize at the end. With regards to any proclamations by Hamas - yes, you are damn right that I dont automatically believe them. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 22, 2023 17:52:26 GMT
No I’m not I’m pointing to an inconsistency in your argument. You pulled Monte on the the original attack by posting a link that was basically saying not all were beheaded/raped/burned/murdered etc you question the numbers prompting the quote “do you hear yourselves”
On the question of the hospital we still have no idea who was responsible but you quoted multiple times questioning the numbers killed.I legitimately pointed out that this was the same as you pulled Monte for,you can divert all you like you know full well the point being made. No inconsistency at all - we know that Hamas murdered babies by hacking their heads off. personally I dont care how many babies there were as it is not a competition with a prize at the end. With regards to any proclamations by Hamas - yes, you are damn right that I dont automatically believe them. Still diverting I didn’t ask you to believe Hamas, as you say it doesn’t matter how many had their heads hacked off and it doesn’t matter if 500 or 50 died at the hospital. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 22, 2023 18:04:01 GMT
There are parallels between the scapegoating of Jews in Nazi Germany and the present day scapegoating of Muslims. No there aren't.
There are however parallels between the modern left and the Nazis.
As becomes more apparent every day.
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Post by see2 on Oct 22, 2023 18:18:33 GMT
Benjamin Netanyahu is the most right-wing PM in Israeli history. IMO he is best described as a Fascist. I had not seen anything of the words of the song related to Netanyahu, do you have any evidence of it? I didn’t say Netanyahu said that what I said was this Different if you read it. OK, related to Netanyahu's party? I am still looking for the connection to that song and Israel. According to my research Netanyahu and Likud are excessive right wing. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 22, 2023 18:28:13 GMT
I didn’t say Netanyahu said that what I said was this Different if you read it. OK, related to Netanyahu's party? I am still looking for the connection to that song and Israel. According to my research Netanyahu and Likud are excessive right wing. It’s not the song per se but the aims contained within. www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html |
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Post by see2 on Oct 22, 2023 19:26:49 GMT
Thanks, though I think I'm more confused than ever. I have to question the last comments in the article. _"But the consistent avowals of Israeli leaders – and the plain language of the party platforms that express their parties’ core beliefs – to prevent such a state from coming into being is not substantively different from the expressed desire of the Hamas Charter to reject Israel’s existence. The beginnings of a more fair and balanced appreciation of the conflict would start with that acknowledgment."__ My point of view is this; Likud was formed in 1973 and first took office in 1977. All previous Israeli governments had been moderate secular and left-wing. Likud was the first right-wing government in Israel. And that was 25 years after the first of a number of attempts to annihilate Israel. Following the first Israel - Arab war Israel had faced years of suicide terrorism killing of Israelis. It was the persistent attacks on Israel that led the Israelis to finally form Likud and to vote for a government that would, in their minds, give them better protection from Terrorist attacks. One can now compare Netanyahu with the leader of Hamas, but I would say that Hamas, Hezbollah and every Palestinian who supports these terrorists at whatever level have helped to create the situation that now exists between Hamas and Israel, with the leaders of those against Israel taking the greater share of the blame. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 22, 2023 21:04:35 GMT
No inconsistency at all - we know that Hamas murdered babies by hacking their heads off. personally I dont care how many babies there were as it is not a competition with a prize at the end. With regards to any proclamations by Hamas - yes, you are damn right that I dont automatically believe them. Still diverting I didn’t ask you to believe Hamas, as you say it doesn’t matter how many had their heads hacked off and it doesn’t matter if 500 or 50 died at the hospital. So why did you bring it up - more whataboutery? |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 22, 2023 21:18:17 GMT
Still diverting I didn’t ask you to believe Hamas, as you say it doesn’t matter how many had their heads hacked off and it doesn’t matter if 500 or 50 died at the hospital. - more whataboutery? I believe you did,but there we are mentioning whataboutery shutting down debate after more diversions than highways England. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 22, 2023 21:34:55 GMT
So why did you bring it up - more whataboutery? ,but there we are mentioning whataboutery shutting down debate after more diversions than highways England. You are confused - I never mentioned the strike on the hospital - that was another issue that you decided to insert into the thread. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 22, 2023 21:41:35 GMT
I believe you did,but there we are mentioning whataboutery shutting down debate after more diversions than highways England. You are confused - I never mentioned the strike on the hospital - that was another issue that you decided to insert into the thread. Ha why don’t you return to where I illustrated you did the very thing you pulled Monte on before you ventured on your convoluted route to deny that? |
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