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Post by zanygame on Feb 25, 2024 9:29:46 GMT
Tell that to chatGBT that's where those words came from. I've warned you before about trying to cobble together some understanding of things by using the internet. This is why you never learn. It's still quite worrying that AI gets it so wrong. The pity is that you now still don't have a clue how science works because you've read a lot of nonsense from a chatbot. It doesn't even understand what a hypothesis is. In the climate models the hypothesis is that CO2 causes warming - it's an assumption (like the velocity of light being constant) to be tested. The theories are all the (tested) equations that are used to represent the behaviour of the factors that are understood. Or you get it so wrong, but can't admit your mistakes. Clearly from the recommendations on AGW from NASA and the IPCC they disagree with your version of how science works. Yet here you are still claiming its me that's wrong. I think you are delusional.
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Post by Orac on Feb 25, 2024 9:47:50 GMT
Science is a particular thing - and stepp's description seems to me to without error. However, if you feel the need to step outside that, then you are into the domain of politics - and this is the point being presented to you.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 25, 2024 10:20:00 GMT
Science is a particular thing - and stepp's description seems to me to without error. However, if you feel the need to step outside that, then you are into the domain of politics - and this is the point being presented to you. Well you would say that.
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 26, 2024 7:54:13 GMT
I think that the fact that you have to resort to using chatbots to define what scientific method is says it all.
The fact is that no one can say that man-made CO2 is causing most of the warming when they're not in a position to evaluate the contribution of all the other factors. Scientists are not magicians. It's mathematically impossible. When confronted with complex systems they usually try to do control experiments (eliminating as many factors as possible to simplify it) but it's very difficult with a system as complex as the Earth - especially when the different factors interact with each other.
No one knows what the major factor is in warming, but my bet would be that it's caused directly or indirectly by the massive increase in human population - not by the slight increase in CO2.
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 28, 2024 8:21:43 GMT
I see that Apple have given up on the electric car that they were developing (after spending billions). They say the demand isn't there. And Rivian are laying off people. It's a combination of declining demand and massive dumping by China. This could get interesting.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 28, 2024 8:31:29 GMT
No one knows what the major factor is in warming, but my bet would be that it's caused directly or indirectly by the massive increase in human population - not by the slight increase in CO2.
Probably all that hot air they spout.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 28, 2024 9:26:14 GMT
I see that Apple have given up on the electric car that they were developing (after spending billions). They say the demand isn't there. And Rivian are laying off people. It's a combination of declining demand and massive dumping by China. This could get interesting. You may recall that the French are taking steps to head off Chinese dumping by making EV subsidies dependent upon the amount of carbon dioxide and other pollutants emitted during a vehicle's production. The EU is said to be about to propose a similar regulation across Europe.
There's still the UK of course, the 'market of last resort'.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 28, 2024 11:44:37 GMT
I see that Apple have given up on the electric car that they were developing (after spending billions). They say the demand isn't there. And Rivian are laying off people. It's a combination of declining demand and massive dumping by China. This could get interesting. You may recall that the French are taking steps to head off Chinese dumping by making EV subsidies dependent upon the amount of carbon dioxide and other pollutants emitted during a vehicle's production. The EU is said to be about to propose a similar regulation across Europe.
There's still the UK of course, the 'market of last resort'.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 28, 2024 11:49:23 GMT
Another manufacturer rolling back their EV plans in the face of consumer resistance.
Aston Martin delays electric car debut as industry EV doubts grow
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Post by Orac on Feb 28, 2024 16:43:30 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Mar 1, 2024 15:39:31 GMT
BMW is putting faith in its new hydrogen SUV The iX5 Hydrogen produces electricity via a hydrogen fuel cell, which drives the electric motor while releasing only water vapor from the tailpipe. The iX5 Hydrogen has a range of up to 300 miles on a single tank of hydrogen and can be refueled in about 3-4 minutes. Aside from its clean emissions, the BMW iX5 Hydrogen has impressive performance credentials. With 401 horsepower, it can accelerate from 0 to 60 mph in less than 6 seconds, providing a thrilling driving experience. It maintains highway prowess with a top speed of more than 112 miles per hour. The 6 kg hydrogen tank provides a reasonable range, and the quick refueling time of 3-4 minutes ensures minimal downtime on the road. hydrogen-central.com/bmw-is-going-all-in-on-hydrogen-theyve-moved-on-from-electrics-and-have-already-launched-their-new-car-lagrada/
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Post by zanygame on Mar 1, 2024 20:07:42 GMT
BMW is putting faith in its new hydrogen SUV The iX5 Hydrogen produces electricity via a hydrogen fuel cell, which drives the electric motor while releasing only water vapor from the tailpipe. The iX5 Hydrogen has a range of up to 300 miles on a single tank of hydrogen and can be refueled in about 3-4 minutes. Aside from its clean emissions, the BMW iX5 Hydrogen has impressive performance credentials. With 401 horsepower, it can accelerate from 0 to 60 mph in less than 6 seconds, providing a thrilling driving experience. It maintains highway prowess with a top speed of more than 112 miles per hour. The 6 kg hydrogen tank provides a reasonable range, and the quick refueling time of 3-4 minutes ensures minimal downtime on the road. hydrogen-central.com/bmw-is-going-all-in-on-hydrogen-theyve-moved-on-from-electrics-and-have-already-launched-their-new-car-lagrada/An electric motor to give the acceleration of an EV. A range similar to an EV. I guess that leaves, you can fill it up quick. Assuming you can find a hydrogen station.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 1, 2024 20:24:14 GMT
BMW is putting faith in its new hydrogen SUV The iX5 Hydrogen produces electricity via a hydrogen fuel cell, which drives the electric motor while releasing only water vapor from the tailpipe. The iX5 Hydrogen has a range of up to 300 miles on a single tank of hydrogen and can be refueled in about 3-4 minutes. Aside from its clean emissions, the BMW iX5 Hydrogen has impressive performance credentials. With 401 horsepower, it can accelerate from 0 to 60 mph in less than 6 seconds, providing a thrilling driving experience. It maintains highway prowess with a top speed of more than 112 miles per hour. The 6 kg hydrogen tank provides a reasonable range, and the quick refueling time of 3-4 minutes ensures minimal downtime on the road. hydrogen-central.com/bmw-is-going-all-in-on-hydrogen-theyve-moved-on-from-electrics-and-have-already-launched-their-new-car-lagrada/An electric motor to give the acceleration of an EV. A range similar to an EV. I guess that leaves, you can fill it up quick. Assuming you can find a hydrogen station. Indeed. As far as I know these are first generation .lHopefully they will be lighter than EVs and there will be enough fuel stations .
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Post by sheepy on Mar 1, 2024 20:33:25 GMT
I see that Apple have given up on the electric car that they were developing (after spending billions). They say the demand isn't there. And Rivian are laying off people. It's a combination of declining demand and massive dumping by China. This could get interesting. You may recall that the French are taking steps to head off Chinese dumping by making EV subsidies dependent upon the amount of carbon dioxide and other pollutants emitted during a vehicle's production. The EU is said to be about to propose a similar regulation across Europe.
There's still the UK of course, the 'market of last resort'.
Sounds like a Volkswagen 2 repeat.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 1, 2024 20:35:00 GMT
How do you feel about Hev's (Those of you who don't think the climate is unchanging and all is well.)
I think they are the way forward. I would like to see a minimum range of 60 miles on battery alone. That would keep most journeys cheap and clean while giving the back up of petrol for long journeys.
It would require decent access to charging to encourage people to use EV.
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