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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2024 8:38:15 GMT
Mine was automatic, have you ever owned one? Yep. And it seems a few driving lessons wouldn"t go amiss zany if your diesel consumption went that high whilst towing.. Go away little man with your pointless off topic insults. Get a life.
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Post by Orac on Feb 12, 2024 8:39:20 GMT
If you want you can stop for 40 minutes every hour in an IC car - however, most people using ic cars choose not to spend half their holiday in a happy eater
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Post by jonksy on Feb 12, 2024 8:40:23 GMT
Yep. And it seems a few driving lessons wouldn"t go amiss zany if your diesel consumption went that high whilst towing.. Go away little man with your pointless off topic insults. Get a life. I have a good life zany unlike you who has to blatantly lie in support of lemons..
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 12, 2024 8:45:52 GMT
The difficulty with towing BEVs is that they don't have a gearbox (no need because of the torque graph of the electric motor) so you can't put it into neutral. You either have to tow it with the drive wheels off the ground or use a low-loader. But there are some that can be towed normally - you need to check the manual.
The data on how much CO2 BEVs save (relative to a petrol car) is very complicated. In the case of similar VW Golfs (EV and petrol) there are various reports (one in Autocar) that says that the extra CO2 emitted during the battery manufacture takes means it starts with a notional CO2 emissions of a petrol Golf that has done 30k miles. So until you've done 30k miles in your Golf EV you've generated MORE CO2 than a petrol version - in fact even after you've done 30k miles you've STILL emitted more CO2 than the petrol version because BEVs are NOT emission free - except at the tail pipe. They're still emitting CO2 because renewables only make up a small amount of our total energy production (about 40%).
So the net effect of replacing ICE cars by BEVs will be to increase CO2 emissions. Whether they ever save that CO2 depends on how far these cars are driven and how long they last. In general BEVs are NOT used by people who do high mileages (for obvious reasons) - they're used for short journeys (shopping). There are also concerns that BEVs have to be written off because of "uneconomic repair" for even minor shunts because any damage to the battery means it needs replacing.
The jury is out on whether BEVs actually save ANY CO2 at all.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2024 8:51:12 GMT
If you want you can stop for 40 minutes every hour in an IC car - however, most people using ic cars choose not to spend half their holiday in a happy eater Once again your adding up is very poor. Unless your doing a 100mph with your caravan Jeez you're making yourself look thick.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 12, 2024 8:52:08 GMT
Your experience of towing is not the reality for the rest of the world.. I have done over 500 miles in a day, which I couldn't have done in an EV. Oh yes another one towing his caravan for 13 hours without a break. Was this your holiday in John O Groats or Budapest. Sigh. You seem to live in this alternate reality to everyone else. As I have pointed out before - ICE cars can meet the needs of everyone. Whereas EV's can meet the needs of specific people, with specific lifestyles, in specific regions of the world. EV's cannot (and will not) replace ICE cars for most of the regions in the world.
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Post by Orac on Feb 12, 2024 8:58:42 GMT
The jury is out on whether BEVs actually save ANY CO2 at all. Yes. I wouldn't argue hard that BEVS would save no CO2 emissions at all, but the fact this scenario isn't impossible shows how marginal the whole operation is. When you compare this slither of (at best) 'likely benefit' with the huge inconvenience caused, you have to wonder what the real motive is. My feeling is that is essentially a scam with politicians paid off by a subset of industrial interests
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 12, 2024 9:17:19 GMT
Oh yes another one towing his caravan for 13 hours without a break. Was this your holiday in John O Groats or Budapest. Sigh. You seem to live in this alternate reality to everyone else. As I have pointed out before - ICE cars can meet the needs of everyone. Whereas EV's can meet the needs of specific people, with specific lifestyles, in specific regions of the world. EV's cannot (and will not) replace ICE cars for most of the regions in the world. I see that the chairman of Toyota has said that he thinks that BEVs will never exceed 30% of domestic cars. I agree. Toyota were very late to start making BEVs (a couple of years ago) because they were dubious about the technology - they were pushing HFC. Actually HFC has the potential IMO to replace ICE cars, We'll see.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2024 10:08:48 GMT
Off to work now. See you all later
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 12, 2024 12:30:27 GMT
146 miles with 77KWh and at 70mph.
So every 100 miles you have to stop - uncouple the caravan - drive round to the charge point - recharge for an hour or so - drive round to the caravan - recouple - and then get on your way... Yep - EV's are perfectly suitable for towing... Yes well the point is the EV's range is good enough for normal use and now you are complaining when you push it to the limit. It just is what it is. Like I say, put some extra batteries in the caravan if you want to do over 100m with a caravan and a small car. The blondes are just using it as another bitching point.
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Post by Orac on Feb 12, 2024 12:36:07 GMT
Stop asking questions and buy more batteries from the Chinese Communist party
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Post by jonksy on Feb 12, 2024 17:10:44 GMT
Major car manufacturer Ford has announced that it is rethinking its strategy when it comes to electric vehicles amid a huge investment into transitioning away from petrol and diesel. Speaking earlier this month, Ford’s CEO said the company needed to make changes to ensure drivers have the appetite for an electric car and can rely on infrastructure.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 12, 2024 18:37:25 GMT
So every 100 miles you have to stop - uncouple the caravan - drive round to the charge point - recharge for an hour or so - drive round to the caravan - recouple - and then get on your way... Yep - EV's are perfectly suitable for towing... Yes well the point is the EV's range is good enough for normal use and now you are complaining when you push it to the limit. It just is what it is. Like I say, put some extra batteries in the caravan if you want to do over 100m with a caravan and a small car. The blondes are just using it as another bitching point. So increasing the weight of the caravan is going to give the EV longer range? - I don't think so..
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 12, 2024 20:05:39 GMT
Yes well the point is the EV's range is good enough for normal use and now you are complaining when you push it to the limit. It just is what it is. Like I say, put some extra batteries in the caravan if you want to do over 100m with a caravan and a small car. The blondes are just using it as another bitching point. So increasing the weight of the caravan is going to give the EV longer range? - I don't think so.. Tell me why you don't think so.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 12, 2024 20:07:36 GMT
So increasing the weight of the caravan is going to give the EV longer range? - I don't think so.. Tell me why you don't think so. Try understanding the law of physics BVL.
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