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Post by zanygame on Feb 11, 2024 20:57:03 GMT
My central heating has never caused me difficulty getting to work. My dishwasher used to get upset, but its OK now. Planes contribute 2.8% of Co2. Cars and Lorries 20% Home heating 17%. Don't worry about planes, swap your home heating to Airsource. Cars and vans account for around 10 percent and the electrification plan wont discount 100% of that, more like about 10 - 15% - ie You would probably save more CO2 by dealing drastically with aviation. The vast majority of aviation is trivial and each journey is regulated, so half the job is already done for you. Most people would still be able to get on with their lives, so I doubt this would satisfy you. Only by inventing your own maths. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 11, 2024 20:58:00 GMT
So in otherwords you cannot dispute it....When these EV's kong out because they have not been charged then their are two vehicles that either have to be towed or recovered.. Who in their right mind would wan't to tow a caravan with an EV? would do it. You need a battery to deal with the load and mileage you want it for. The Ford EV pickups are 100kWh, which is double a standard car. Another possibility is to fit more batteries in the caravan. LiPo are coming down in price fast and safe as well. The problem with the proles is they are as thick as pigshit when it comes to basic science. Well that rules you out then BVL...And the rest of your post is total bollocks. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 11, 2024 20:58:54 GMT
Cars and vans account for around 10 percent and the electrification plan wont discount 100% of that, more like about 10 - 15% - ie You would probably save more CO2 by dealing drastically with aviation. The vast majority of aviation is trivial and each journey is regulated, so half the job is already done for you. Most people would still be able to get on with their lives, so I doubt this would satisfy you. Only by inventing your own maths. The maths isn't the problem, motive is. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 11, 2024 21:29:46 GMT
Only by inventing your own maths. The maths isn't the problem, motive is. Maths is defo the problem. Just making up numbers proves no argument |
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Post by Orac on Feb 11, 2024 21:48:28 GMT
What percentage of CO2 emissions are by car?
Cars and vans account for around 10 percent of global CO₂ emissions.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 11, 2024 21:55:55 GMT
What percentage of CO2 emissions are by car? Cars and vans account for around 10 percent of global CO₂ emissions.As I said 15% is vehicles. So replacing them has a far bigger effect than cutting 50% of flights (The unnecessary ones) at 1.4% But you lead astray, as I mentioned central heating not cars. I also think its a sad reflection on your life that you value making memories lower than getting to work easily. You need to rethink. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 11, 2024 22:12:52 GMT
What percentage of CO2 emissions are by car? Cars and vans account for around 10 percent of global CO₂ emissions.As I said 15% is vehicles. So replacing them has a far bigger effect than cutting 50% of flights (The unnecessary ones) at 1.4% But you lead astray, as I mentioned central heating not cars. I also think its a sad reflection on your life that you value making memories lower than getting to work easily. You need to rethink. 'Lead astray' is quite correct - as in divert 10% of CO2 emissions are cars and vans and the present EV push covers passenger cars. Moving to evs wont save anything like 100% of this. I think if you asked most people if they would rather give up the convenience of a car (or a significant chunck thereoff), or not go on a foreign holiday once a year, they would choose the latter. Few people would leave themselves without a car to spend a week in Benidorm. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 11, 2024 22:30:18 GMT
People who knew their arse from their elbow would do it. You need a battery to deal with the load and mileage you want it for. The Ford EV pickups are 100kWh, which is double a standard car. Another possibility is to fit more batteries in the caravan. LiPo are coming down in price fast and safe as well. The problem with the proles is they are as thick as pigshit when it comes to basic science. Well that rules you out then BVL...And the rest of your post is total bollocks. I've got about 50 years of experience in electrics. I do not need to be tutored by the MSM blondes. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 11, 2024 22:33:18 GMT
As I said 15% is vehicles. So replacing them has a far bigger effect than cutting 50% of flights (The unnecessary ones) at 1.4% But you lead astray, as I mentioned central heating not cars. I also think its a sad reflection on your life that you value making memories lower than getting to work easily. You need to rethink. As you wish you diverted from what I said. As is your way. Why eliminate other vehicles. And EV's produce no Co2. So provided they are charged with non fossil fuel electricity then I expect a 90% saving. You phrase the question to get the answer you desire. Q: Would you rather keep your petrol car and give up your holiday or take a EV and keep your holiday. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 11, 2024 22:36:55 GMT
This is out of date. The BMW ix has a towing capacity of 2,500 kilos. The reason many electric cars were supposedly incapable of towing was that no one had ever done the calculations so no towing weight was given. That has changed now. If you think about it logically the weight a car can pull along is the same whether that weight is in the vehicle or towed behind it. There were also suggestions that the energy recapture features of these vehicles also prevented them from towing, but this was a myth created to try and explain why there were no towing figures for them. Towing drastically reduces the already poor range of EV's so you have to recharge more often, in some cases every 100 miles. So you are towing your caravan with your Tesla - how do you recharge given that the plug socket is in the back of the car?  |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 11, 2024 22:42:32 GMT
What percentage of CO2 emissions are by car? Cars and vans account for around 10 percent of global CO₂ emissions.I don't know if you ever drove through either the east of Manchester or to the north in the 1980s, but you just need to have taken one look at the buildings. Everything was black, with a faint showing of the red bricks beneath. These were places so awful that no one in their right mind would want to live there. They were just the rotting ruins of the industrial age. The thing was when they built those factories they looked clean and respectable. Now imagine looking at that and someone telling you that in the future there won't be any of this dirt t all. The air would be as fresh as the countryside. You would not need to be told about CO2 to imagine that was like a dream come true for city dwellers. The thing is the technology is sophisticated enough right now to do it. The only thing stopping us is laziness. The Victorians built that place very fast at the time. We can not even keep up wit their work speed. So can be done but lacking elbow grease. We need less mouth flappers and more grafters. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 11, 2024 22:43:34 GMT
So in otherwords you cannot dispute it....When these EV's kong out because they have not been charged then their are two vehicles that either have to be towed or recovered.. Who in their right mind would wan't to tow a caravan with an EV? People who knew their arse from their elbow would do it. You need a battery to deal with the load and mileage you want it for. The Ford EV pickups are 100kWh, which is double a standard car. Another possibility is to fit more batteries in the caravan. LiPo are coming down in price fast and safe as well. The problem with the proles is they are as thick as pigshit when it comes to basic science. If you knew your arse from your elbow you would already know the problems that Ford EV's have with towing. How about recharging every hour!..  |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 11, 2024 22:44:24 GMT
This is out of date. The BMW ix has a towing capacity of 2,500 kilos. The reason many electric cars were supposedly incapable of towing was that no one had ever done the calculations so no towing weight was given. That has changed now. If you think about it logically the weight a car can pull along is the same whether that weight is in the vehicle or towed behind it. There were also suggestions that the energy recapture features of these vehicles also prevented them from towing, but this was a myth created to try and explain why there were no towing figures for them. Towing drastically reduces the already poor range of EV's so you have to recharge more often, in some cases every 100 miles. So you are towing your caravan with your Tesla - how do you recharge given that the plug socket is in the back of the car? Depends what you are towing. The charging cables are long enough to reach from front to back of a car. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 11, 2024 22:55:11 GMT
Towing drastically reduces the already poor range of EV's so you have to recharge more often, in some cases every 100 miles. So you are towing your caravan with your Tesla - how do you recharge given that the plug socket is in the back of the car? Depends what you are towing. The charging cables are long enough to reach from front to back of a car. so you nose in and leave the caravan blocking the rest of the carpark? - yes that will go down well. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 11, 2024 23:01:48 GMT
Depends what you are towing. The charging cables are long enough to reach from front to back of a car. so you nose in and leave the caravan blocking the rest of the carpark? - yes that will go down well. 😳 |
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