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Post by patman post on Jan 28, 2024 15:12:48 GMT
Electric vehicles (EVs) sales will overtake petrol and diesel car sales in just a few years, at least, according to German car giant BMW.
Anticipating the shift, the company wants to make a fully electric version of its hybrid BMW 3 series model, which was among the most popular electric cars in the UK in 2022, according to our latest EV statistics.
BMW’s finance director, Walter Mertl, told The Times that “[t]he tipping point for the combustion engine is already there”.
He stated that sales for BMW petrol/diesel cars had plateaued, and he expected them to start to fall, adding that policies favouring zero-emissions vehicles were accelerating the change.
Seems to me, people will eventually choose what they think suits them. "Range anxiety" appears to be diminishing for town dwellers as they increasingly use their cars for shopping and ferrying kids around. They don't need a 200 miles range any more than they need a 4WD seven-seater SUV — though there's plenty of battered versions of these (and people-carriers) round Stamford Hill, where large families seem the norm.
Street slow-charging points and EV parking spaces are easily found round Hackney residential streets, which is lucky because we are not permitted to run cables from a home EV charge point across the pavement to a parked vehicle — though some people do, and the council-approved dangling cables from lampposts could be more of a hazard...
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Post by thomas on Jan 28, 2024 15:40:40 GMT
Electric vehicles (EVs) sales will overtake petrol and diesel car sales in just a few years, at least, according to German car giant BMW.
Anticipating the shift, the company wants to make a fully electric version of its hybrid BMW 3 series model, which was among the most popular electric cars in the UK in 2022, according to our latest EV statistics.
BMW’s finance director, Walter Mertl, told The Times that “[t]he tipping point for the combustion engine is already there”.
He stated that sales for BMW petrol/diesel cars had plateaued, and he expected them to start to fall, adding that policies favouring zero-emissions vehicles were accelerating the change.
Seems to me, people will eventually choose what they think suits them. "Range anxiety" appears to be diminishing for town dwellers as they increasingly use their cars for shopping and ferrying kids around. They don't need a 200 miles range any more than they need a 4WD seven-seater SUV — though there's plenty of battered versions of these (and people-carriers) round Stamford Hill, where large families seem the norm.
Street slow-charging points and EV parking spaces are easily found round Hackney residential streets, which is lucky because we are not permitted to run cables from a home EV charge point across the pavement to a parked vehicle — though some people do, and the council-approved dangling cables from lampposts could be more of a hazard...
The chairman of Toyota said only last week that electric vehicles will never make up more than 30% of the share of the car market. They are nothing more than a middle class toy , and as we can see , sales are flagging all over Europe and the western world. Not that ive heard , anecdotally for what it's worth. Once loaded up , wife kids and luggage , im told range anxiety is a big thing. As someone who used to tow a caravan with a powerful 2.2 diesel , I know how range anxiety can be a terrible worry , especially on long trips.. I can't even begin to imagine what it's like in these electric vehicles. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 28, 2024 15:56:45 GMT
You actually do hold this absurd position. Amazing. Have you seen our seaside towns recently? They were designed for the Victorian era where it was believed bathing was good for one's health. They expanded to cope the the demand but now the demand is no longer there. I like the phrase from Le Corbusier that houses are machines for living. The thing is we are going to have to have a think about what we like. Shops themselves are becoming a thing of the past as well. With these huge changes you need to ask what functions should these towns have. Town development has in the past nearly always been in response to an industry, like Stoke was known for its pottery, so it specialised in it and became a world leader and good enough quality for European royalty apparently. Now look at it. The pottery comes from China. Mind you it has to be said Stoke actually copied Chinese pottery in the first place with its Ming dynasty range. |
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Post by Orac on Jan 28, 2024 16:58:18 GMT
I suggest we don't rip the entire UK and rebuild it in order to facilitate an inappropriate and ineffective technology for which there is a functioning alternative
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 28, 2024 18:44:57 GMT
'Europe’s plan to ban ICE vehicles by 2035 may get pushed back due to a slowing EV demand,'
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Post by patman post on Jan 28, 2024 19:03:37 GMT
Electric vehicles (EVs) sales will overtake petrol and diesel car sales in just a few years, at least, according to German car giant BMW.
Anticipating the shift, the company wants to make a fully electric version of its hybrid BMW 3 series model, which was among the most popular electric cars in the UK in 2022, according to our latest EV statistics.
BMW’s finance director, Walter Mertl, told The Times that “[t]he tipping point for the combustion engine is already there”.
He stated that sales for BMW petrol/diesel cars had plateaued, and he expected them to start to fall, adding that policies favouring zero-emissions vehicles were accelerating the change.
Seems to me, people will eventually choose what they think suits them. "Range anxiety" appears to be diminishing for town dwellers as they increasingly use their cars for shopping and ferrying kids around. They don't need a 200 miles range any more than they need a 4WD seven-seater SUV — though there's plenty of battered versions of these (and people-carriers) round Stamford Hill, where large families seem the norm.
Street slow-charging points and EV parking spaces are easily found round Hackney residential streets, which is lucky because we are not permitted to run cables from a home EV charge point across the pavement to a parked vehicle — though some people do, and the council-approved dangling cables from lampposts could be more of a hazard...
The chairman of Toyota said only last week that electric vehicles will never make up more than 30% of the share of the car market. They are nothing more than a middle class toy , and as we can see , sales are flagging all over Europe and the western world. Not that ive heard , anecdotally for what it's worth. Once loaded up , wife kids and luggage , im told range anxiety is a big thing. As someone who used to tow a caravan with a powerful 2.2 diesel , I know how range anxiety can be a terrible worry , especially on long trips.. I can't even begin to imagine what it's like in these electric vehicles. It was once thought that one telephone per town would be enough, and 50 or so computers would do all that was required, nuclear power would make energy free, and colour TV would cause cancer. Common sense and experience modified demands and outcomes and stimulated relevant supplies and impacted production and services. I bet similar will happen with EVs. Users will get the EVs they prefer for their own regular requirements and rent whatever they need otherwise. Mrs has a hybrid which covers most of our needs, and Hertz covers the rest. That works out less expensive than ownership for us, particularly as we have on-street parking… |
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Post by thomas on Jan 28, 2024 20:34:24 GMT
The chairman of Toyota said only last week that electric vehicles will never make up more than 30% of the share of the car market. They are nothing more than a middle class toy , and as we can see , sales are flagging all over Europe and the western world. Not that ive heard , anecdotally for what it's worth. Once loaded up , wife kids and luggage , im told range anxiety is a big thing. As someone who used to tow a caravan with a powerful 2.2 diesel , I know how range anxiety can be a terrible worry , especially on long trips.. I can't even begin to imagine what it's like in these electric vehicles. It was once thought that one telephone per town would be enough, and 50 or so computers would do all that was required, nuclear power would make energy free, and colour TV would cause cancer. Common sense and experience modified demands and outcomes and stimulated relevant supplies and impacted production and services. I bet similar will happen with EVs. Users will get the EVs they prefer for their own regular requirements and rent whatever they need otherwise. Mrs has a hybrid which covers most of our needs, and Hertz covers the rest. That works out less expensive than ownership for us, particularly as we have on-street parking… The cost and situation with battery life from what ive heard means leasing is the only possible way to go with an electric car. I take on board what you are saying , im still not convinced though. Hybrids can I just point out are a totally different kettle of fish to full electric , especially self charging. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 28, 2024 22:44:14 GMT
It was once thought that one telephone per town would be enough, and 50 or so computers would do all that was required, nuclear power would make energy free, and colour TV would cause cancer. Common sense and experience modified demands and outcomes and stimulated relevant supplies and impacted production and services. I bet similar will happen with EVs. Users will get the EVs they prefer for their own regular requirements and rent whatever they need otherwise. Mrs has a hybrid which covers most of our needs, and Hertz covers the rest. That works out less expensive than ownership for us, particularly as we have on-street parking… The cost and situation with battery life from what ive heard means leasing is the only possible way to go with an electric car. I take on board what you are saying , im still not convinced though. Hybrids can I just point out are a totally different kettle of fish to full electric , especially self charging. It's the depreciation that kills EV's as a car to buy outright - leasing is far cheaper. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 28, 2024 23:24:41 GMT
I suggest we don't rip the entire UK and rebuild it in order to facilitate an inappropriate and ineffective technology for which there is a functioning alternative I don't agree with this enforcement either. I think they should be used where there is a benefit and I'm also saying how we can increase the benefit further by having some idea about our transport system so it all works in an integrated way. Our system is just totally dumb where people are commuting 50 miles or more to work. I'm saying town planning, modes of transport and how we work should all be considered together. Our problem is in departmentalised thinking. A lot of changes are happening at once, e.g. electric cars, heat pumps and insulation, solar power, electric scooters, remote working and online shopping. There becomes a point where a compete redevelopment solves so many problems at once that the economic argument swings in favour of going ahead with it. Our industry is changing too with AI. Indeed the intelligent thing to do is redevelop homes using AI robots, but i guess that is a little too advanced for little old England. We need to overhaul the electric grid and there are new technologies associated with that as well. I suggest we get more people working and less administering. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 29, 2024 8:19:40 GMT
The cost and situation with battery life from what ive heard means leasing is the only possible way to go with an electric car. I take on board what you are saying , im still not convinced though. Hybrids can I just point out are a totally different kettle of fish to full electric , especially self charging. It's the depreciation that kills EV's as a car to buy outright - leasing is far cheaper. so ive heard pacifico. Ive leased many vehicles over the years but not EV . All the valid concerns about EVs make them far too risky unless you have money to play with , and are looking for a toy , for them to be taken serious in my opinion at the minute. |
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Post by Orac on Jan 29, 2024 12:45:51 GMT
I suggest we don't rip the entire UK and rebuild it in order to facilitate an inappropriate and ineffective technology for which there is a functioning alternative I don't agree with this enforcement either. I think they should be used where there is a benefit and I'm also saying how we can increase the benefit further by having some idea about our transport system so it all works in an integrated way. Our system is just totally dumb where people are commuting 50 miles or more to work. I'm saying town planning, modes of transport and how we work should all be considered together. Sure - this is uncontroversial. Nobody disagrees that making things more flexible is a good idea when you add something. My beef is with the notion that ripping up and replacing large sections of uk infrastructure is a proper (rational) response to EVs being a bad fit |
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Post by walterpaisley on Jan 29, 2024 13:39:45 GMT
Nobody disagrees that making things more flexible is a good idea when you add something. My beef is with the notion that ripping up and replacing large sections of uk infrastructure is a proper (rational) response to EVs being a bad fit Cars are already a bad fit for most of our towns and cities. Our town was largely built in the early 19th century. My own street (where parking is limited to one side of the road only) is always packed. Even as recently as the 1980s,the norm was for one car per household - most of my neighbours now own two vehicles - there are people with three, and no off road parking. If I need to go to Nottingham (Unless it's for a shopping excursion), I'll get on the train - navigating and parking in that city is awful. Retrofitting a charging infrastructure - which will take place over many years, I imagine - can't cause many more problems than exist already, imo. |
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Post by Orac on Jan 29, 2024 13:48:10 GMT
Nobody disagrees that making things more flexible is a good idea when you add something. My beef is with the notion that ripping up and replacing large sections of uk infrastructure is a proper (rational) response to EVs being a bad fit Cars are already a bad fit for most of our towns and cities. Our town was largely built in the early 19th century. My own street (where parking is limited to one side of the road only) is always packed. Even as recently as the 1980s,the norm was for one car per household - most of my neighbours now own two vehicles - there are people with three, and no off road parking. If I need to go to Nottingham (Unless it's for a shopping excursion), I'll get on the train - navigating and parking in that city is awful. Retrofitting a charging infrastructure - which will take place over many years, I imagine - can't cause many more problems than exist already, imo. Sure - it's just that EVs are even worse fit - ie they are a bad fit relative to IC carsThere is nothing wrong with a creating a charging infrastructure. However, as you note, this is a long term project and , during the mean-whilst, people need access to something that works |
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Post by patman post on Jan 29, 2024 14:02:05 GMT
It was once thought that one telephone per town would be enough, and 50 or so computers would do all that was required, nuclear power would make energy free, and colour TV would cause cancer. Common sense and experience modified demands and outcomes and stimulated relevant supplies and impacted production and services. I bet similar will happen with EVs. Users will get the EVs they prefer for their own regular requirements and rent whatever they need otherwise. Mrs has a hybrid which covers most of our needs, and Hertz covers the rest. That works out less expensive than ownership for us, particularly as we have on-street parking… The cost and situation with battery life from what ive heard means leasing is the only possible way to go with an electric car. I take on board what you are saying , im still not convinced though. Hybrids can I just point out are a totally different kettle of fish to full electric , especially self charging. Mrs P's PHEV (which both plug-in and self-charging) does 30 miles on one charge. She uses the vehicle almost daily for school runs, shopping, work, etc, but she frequently has the message on the dash to add new fuel because what's in the tank is getting old — a particular problem now more alcohol is being added to fuel. No real problem — we have adapted our car usage to suit.
There are also portable backup power supplies — like for a powerbank for phone or laptop, or a spare can of fuel — available in the US that can carried in the car, and they're coming here. Expensive at the moment, prices are dropping...
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Post by thomas on Jan 29, 2024 16:45:06 GMT
The cost and situation with battery life from what ive heard means leasing is the only possible way to go with an electric car. I take on board what you are saying , im still not convinced though. Hybrids can I just point out are a totally different kettle of fish to full electric , especially self charging. Mrs P's PHEV (which both plug-in and self-charging) does 30 miles on one charge. She uses the vehicle almost daily for school runs, shopping, work, etc, but she frequently has the message on the dash to add new fuel because what's in the tank is getting old — a particular problem now more alcohol is being added to fuel. No real problem — we have adapted our car usage to suit.
There are also portable backup power supplies — like for a powerbank for phone or laptop, or a spare can of fuel — available in the US that can carried in the car, and they're coming here. Expensive at the moment, prices are dropping...
I like the idea of a hybrid vehicle. My issue is with fully electric , as ive said above . Does the battery get much of a charge around the local area when the missus is doing 30 miles an hour? |
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