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Post by jonksy on Dec 26, 2023 15:07:11 GMT
The new ones are even worse BVL. Why do you think it is that aviation hasn't adopeted litheum batteries? Boeing tied them on their 787's below are the results and it isn't good reading the FAA along with the CAA and EASSA have banned the use of Litheum batteries on aircraft and have reverted back to the use of either lead acid or Nicad. Unfortunately for you.....You have broached a subject that I am well eductaed upon as I worked for the FAA during that period of time and helped with the investigation of these battery fires I received letters of thanks and commendations from Boeing, Bombardier and Embraer for my diligence1 and hard work I put into the investigation. There is not one single thing you can tell me about batteries BVL.
What Caused The Battery Fires That Grounded the Boeing 787 10 Years Ago?
As you can see, the safety standards were behind the times, i.e. no consideration for thermal runaway. About 10 years ago the nickel–metal hydride battery was popular because it gave greater energy density and was used in many Japanese cars. These are the ones you see with the bad fire problems. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93metal_hydride_batteryThese are known to be bad batteries and are being replaced with Lithium iron phosphate batteries. For the latest versions the energy density had almost reached the level of the other type but are far safer and should not catch on fire. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_iron_phosphate_batteryFor aircraft batteries, every kg of additional weight is expensive over the lifetime of the craft, so chances are they used these higher-performing batteries, but less safe. The new ones, even when badly damaged will not go into thermal runaway. They might get hot still, but you need to design the proper thermal management, as the idiots seemed to have learnt after the event! If you really want to be safe, these new solid state batteries are quite incredible. I have a video somewhere of a Chinaman using one to power a mobile phone as he drills a large hole through the middle of it. The battery carries on working! Thermal runaway only happens whilst a battery is being charged or cap-tested BVL not whilst they are being used for what they are intended. The same cannot be said for litheum as they are an accident waiting to happen if cobalt meets oxygen.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 26, 2023 15:20:00 GMT
Right now I understand the solar + heatpump + water heater and batteries, if all done properly will be cheaper than conventional gas heating. It's a large investment, but over say ten years you would be better off and still have a warm house. They do make sense for new houses because a lot of the cost is retrofitting better insulation. Remember before 1973 fuel was very cheap. My view is it is high time the proles got to work improving their accommodation. Less paperwork and more graft is needed. If the Victorians could build so many quality houses then we should be able to do it, and we can knock the crap ones down. Ten years is ridiculously optimistic. 28% of UK housing stock was built before the first world war, 38% before the second world war, just 7% were built after 2000. This means that without significant upgrade and investment the vast majority of UK housing stock is unsuitable for heat pumps. Things may have changed by the end of the century but as I said, ten years is ridiculously optimistic.The example I saw was what looked like a house no more than say 30 years old and the chap had spent 12-15k on the full bollox of the green revolution, as in an all-in-one intelligent system that comes in at the size of a 6ft high fridge freezer he has in his garage plus solar panels. He replaced an existing gas boiler and the whole system paid back in 5 years. Admittedly this looked like a factory demo of what you can do, so I doubled that so it would accommodate a wider range of properties and that these payback figures are for where our leccy bills have been hiked severely. Therefore 10 years is just a very approximate realistic guess by factoring out the bullshit factor of the sales rep and considering a typical home. If it were a brand new and highly insulated home and you built it all in from the beginning, so there was no retrofitting and you used the right radiators etc, then you could do even better. The problem is the non-cavity type walls of the Victorian era and their terrible draughty windows. To do a proper insulation job including double glazing on all windows and insulating all the walls by building out a cavity insulation layer is somewhere in the region of 30 grand, plus the 12-15k for the equipment. So in reality this makes a good few million homes uneconomic to live in. We will have to knock these down and start again. They will be the groggy ones in cheap areas which are like throwing good money after bad. Unfortunately those who live in these places are the least likely to be able to afford a greater than 50 grand bill. You see how we really should let the market decide. More and more homes will freely and gladly opt for green tech as it will save them money, but some will not.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 26, 2023 15:33:10 GMT
As you can see, the safety standards were behind the times, i.e. no consideration for thermal runaway. About 10 years ago the nickel–metal hydride battery was popular because it gave greater energy density and was used in many Japanese cars. These are the ones you see with the bad fire problems. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93metal_hydride_batteryThese are known to be bad batteries and are being replaced with Lithium iron phosphate batteries. For the latest versions the energy density had almost reached the level of the other type but are far safer and should not catch on fire. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_iron_phosphate_batteryFor aircraft batteries, every kg of additional weight is expensive over the lifetime of the craft, so chances are they used these higher-performing batteries, but less safe. The new ones, even when badly damaged will not go into thermal runaway. They might get hot still, but you need to design the proper thermal management, as the idiots seemed to have learnt after the event! If you really want to be safe, these new solid state batteries are quite incredible. I have a video somewhere of a Chinaman using one to power a mobile phone as he drills a large hole through the middle of it. The battery carries on working! Thermal runaway only happens whilst a battery is being charged or cap-tested BVL not whilst they are being used for what they are intended. The same cannot be said for litheum as they are an accident waiting to happen if cobalt meets oxygen. Yes the cobalt ones are being dumped because they are known to be dangerous in EVs. That's a double good thing since cobalt itself is tricky to get hold of and DR Congo people are talking about taking over the world with a mineral commodities cartel for essential materials. Sodium batteries might end up performing as well as lithium. Battery science is getting very sophisticated these days. There is another trick you can do to increase safety, and that is to get a chip to monitor all parameters of the battery and then use AI to figure out if the battery is operating outside of its normal expected behaviour over its life. Such an AI chip could then tell you if the battery looks dangerous, as per a battery that somehow slipped through the manufacturing quality control with a fault in it that develops over time. AI can pick subtle trends out of gigabytes of data that a human would find incomprehensible.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 26, 2023 15:36:43 GMT
Ten years is ridiculously optimistic. 28% of UK housing stock was built before the first world war, 38% before the second world war, just 7% were built after 2000. This means that without significant upgrade and investment the vast majority of UK housing stock is unsuitable for heat pumps. Things may have changed by the end of the century but as I said, ten years is ridiculously optimistic. The example I saw was what looked like a house no more than say 30 years old and the chap had spent 12-15k on the full bollox of the green revolution, as in an all-in-one intelligent system that comes in at the size of a 6ft high fridge freezer he has in his garage plus solar panels. He replaced an existing gas boiler and the whole system paid back in 5 years. Admittedly this looked like a factory demo of what you can do, so I doubled that so it would accommodate a wider range of properties and that these payback figures are for where our leccy bills have been hiked severely. Therefore 10 years is just a very approximate realistic guess by factoring out the bullshit factor of the sales rep and considering a typical home. If it were a brand new and highly insulated home and you built it all in from the beginning, so there was no retrofitting and you used the right radiators etc, then you could do even better. The problem is the non-cavity type walls of the Victorian era and their terrible draughty windows. To do a proper insulation job including double glazing on all windows and insulating all the walls by building out a cavity insulation layer is somewhere in the region of 30 grand, plus the 12-15k for the equipment. So in reality this makes a good few million homes uneconomic to live in. We will have to knock these down and start again. They will be the groggy ones in cheap areas which are like throwing good money after bad. Unfortunately those who live in these places are the least likely to be able to afford a greater than 50 grand bill. You see how we really should let the market decide. More and more homes will freely and gladly opt for green tech as it will save them money, but some will not. These old houses with no cavities would cost more than that to insulate BVL. It would be cheaper to demolish them and rebuild. And the last thing you would want is a useless heatpump to warm them up...
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Post by jonksy on Dec 26, 2023 15:38:46 GMT
Thermal runaway only happens whilst a battery is being charged or cap-tested BVL not whilst they are being used for what they are intended. The same cannot be said for litheum as they are an accident waiting to happen if cobalt meets oxygen. Yes the cobalt ones are being dumped because they are known to be dangerous in EVs. That's a double good thing since cobalt itself is tricky to get hold of and DR Congo people are talking about taking over the world with a mineral commodities cartel for essential materials. Sodium batteries might end up performing as well as lithium. Battery science is getting very sophisticated these days. There is another trick you can do to increase safety, and that is to get a chip to monitor all parameters of the battery and then use AI to figure out if the battery is operating outside of its normal expected behaviour over its life. Such an AI chip could then tell you if the battery looks dangerous, as per a battery that somehow slipped through the manufacturing quality control with a fault in it that develops over time. AI can pick subtle trends out of gigabytes of data that a human would find incomprehensible. They are not being dumped BVL they are the core of the so called electronic lemons.....This really isn't your subject is it BVL?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 26, 2023 16:05:28 GMT
The example I saw was what looked like a house no more than say 30 years old and the chap had spent 12-15k on the full bollox of the green revolution, as in an all-in-one intelligent system that comes in at the size of a 6ft high fridge freezer he has in his garage plus solar panels. He replaced an existing gas boiler and the whole system paid back in 5 years. Admittedly this looked like a factory demo of what you can do, so I doubled that so it would accommodate a wider range of properties and that these payback figures are for where our leccy bills have been hiked severely. Therefore 10 years is just a very approximate realistic guess by factoring out the bullshit factor of the sales rep and considering a typical home. If it were a brand new and highly insulated home and you built it all in from the beginning, so there was no retrofitting and you used the right radiators etc, then you could do even better. The problem is the non-cavity type walls of the Victorian era and their terrible draughty windows. To do a proper insulation job including double glazing on all windows and insulating all the walls by building out a cavity insulation layer is somewhere in the region of 30 grand, plus the 12-15k for the equipment. So in reality this makes a good few million homes uneconomic to live in. We will have to knock these down and start again. They will be the groggy ones in cheap areas which are like throwing good money after bad. Unfortunately those who live in these places are the least likely to be able to afford a greater than 50 grand bill. You see how we really should let the market decide. More and more homes will freely and gladly opt for green tech as it will save them money, but some will not. These old houses with no cavities would cost more than that to insulate BVL. It would be cheaper to demolish them and rebuild. And the last thing you would want is a useless heatpump to warm them up... It brings us back to what Le Corbusier was saying in his book the City of Tomorrow. His argument was that town planning had evolved naturally following the law of least resistance, so each road and facility was built at a particular time according to what made best sense there and then. He said this created terrible cities which were hellholes to live in because the roads didn't make overall sense. His view is the planner should start with a blank piece of paper and utilise the state of the art technology to build an entire city with everything considered, even down to the furniture as it was the case with some architects of the time, so it all worked effortlessly. This way your modern city would have all the fibre optics laid out from the start, plus all your CHP hot water pipes that feed hot water fed through a heat exchanger in a nuclear reactor and your post also travels automatically along an underground robotic delivery system and so on and so on. The idea is that if you build it all in one grand design the citizens who live there would live more efficiently, and over time those conveniences you incorporated into your modern city pay back large dividends since the whole economy runs faster and local business makes more money because none of their staff are arsing about in traffic jams half their life, and no one has to compulsory purchase land for a railway if it was though of from the outset. Also if you did this you would make the whole thing financially viable so it would be a hot investment for long-term investors. Obviously the problem here is it has a single point of failure so a poor design buggers it up for everyone. We could try and mitigate it though by double checking and making sure no one corrupt was involved, eg. exactly not like HS2 was planned. There are some areas up north though which could be entirely levelled. It would solve the crime and social disorder problem!
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Post by jonksy on Dec 26, 2023 16:33:52 GMT
These old houses with no cavities would cost more than that to insulate BVL. It would be cheaper to demolish them and rebuild. And the last thing you would want is a useless heatpump to warm them up... It brings us back to what Le Corbusier was saying in his book the City of Tomorrow. His argument was that town planning had evolved naturally following the law of least resistance, so each road and facility was built at a particular time according to what made best sense there and then. He said this created terrible cities which were hellholes to live in because the roads didn't make overall sense. His view is the planner should start with a blank piece of paper and utilise the state of the art technology to build an entire city with everything considered, even down to the furniture as it was the case with some architects of the time, so it all worked effortlessly. This way your modern city would have all the fibre optics laid out from the start, plus all your CHP hot water pipes that feed hot water fed through a heat exchanger in a nuclear reactor and your post also travels automatically along an underground robotic delivery system and so on and so on. The idea is that if you build it all in one grand design the citizens who live there would live more efficiently, and over time those conveniences you incorporated into your modern city pay back large dividends since the whole economy runs faster and local business makes more money because none of their staff are arsing about in traffic jams half their life, and no one has to compulsory purchase land for a railway if it was though of from the outset. Also if you did this you would make the whole thing financially viable so it would be a hot investment for long-term investors. Obviously the problem here is it has a single point of failure so a poor design buggers it up for everyone. We could try and mitigate it though by double checking and making sure no one corrupt was involved, eg. exactly not like HS2 was planned. There are some areas up north though which could be entirely levelled. It would solve the crime and social disorder problem! And how does that help the 28% of our housing stock that have no caveties. And most of these older houses have preservation orders on them and cannot be updated anyhow. These old 28% of of our housing stock were state of the art in their day.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 26, 2023 16:41:22 GMT
Also another idea that is being toyed with is roof tiles that are also solar panels. Since a large amount of the cost of solar panels is the frame and all the jiggery pokey with wires, brackets, bars and other stuff, surely a far superior way would be to have tiles that look like normal tiles but have special solar panel surface to them, and as you fitted the tiles, maybe they just clicked together electrically. This is the trick of one thing doing two jobs, and indeed you could extend that to three jobs if these tiles were super-insulators as well. There is also a problem with solar panels where they run hot, and if they run hot it both shortens their life and reduces efficiency. So now you want a roof tile that can perform the function of sinking the heat. Indeed someone ran a little experiment with solar panels where by using an electrical fan to cool the panel, roughly speaking he was using about one watt of power which in turn saved easily over ten watts of energy inefficiency due to the temperature. The best way of doing it is to design for the lowest cost of ownership. An all-in-one tile achieves lowest in construction costs of fitting it. By optimising design over all parameters you get better value for money than having four different product all individually optimised and all not really 100% compatible. Standardisation and high volume production is the way to further reduce costs. We should invent it ourselves rather than wait for the Chinese to do it for us. One good bit of news is the UK has invented a type of solar cell which can last over 100 years. Surely we are not too far off the tech needed.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 26, 2023 16:50:56 GMT
It brings us back to what Le Corbusier was saying in his book the City of Tomorrow. His argument was that town planning had evolved naturally following the law of least resistance, so each road and facility was built at a particular time according to what made best sense there and then. He said this created terrible cities which were hellholes to live in because the roads didn't make overall sense. His view is the planner should start with a blank piece of paper and utilise the state of the art technology to build an entire city with everything considered, even down to the furniture as it was the case with some architects of the time, so it all worked effortlessly. This way your modern city would have all the fibre optics laid out from the start, plus all your CHP hot water pipes that feed hot water fed through a heat exchanger in a nuclear reactor and your post also travels automatically along an underground robotic delivery system and so on and so on. The idea is that if you build it all in one grand design the citizens who live there would live more efficiently, and over time those conveniences you incorporated into your modern city pay back large dividends since the whole economy runs faster and local business makes more money because none of their staff are arsing about in traffic jams half their life, and no one has to compulsory purchase land for a railway if it was though of from the outset. Also if you did this you would make the whole thing financially viable so it would be a hot investment for long-term investors. Obviously the problem here is it has a single point of failure so a poor design buggers it up for everyone. We could try and mitigate it though by double checking and making sure no one corrupt was involved, eg. exactly not like HS2 was planned. There are some areas up north though which could be entirely levelled. It would solve the crime and social disorder problem! And how does that help the 28% of our housing stock that have no caveties. And most of these older houses have preservation orders on them and cannot be updated anyhow. These old 28% of of our housing stock were state of the art in their day. I've seen it done in fact. In Manchester they levelled a 25 000 set of flats to the ground, and left the one or two buildings that have always been three and are special. In practice they level about 95% because that is all shitsville and most likely identical slum dwellings built cheaply in the first place. It's quite easy to work your new design around the odd constraint, likely one plot might have an historic church say. Anyway, that development seems to have worked out pretty well and Manchester is on the up. I'm suggesting now though we get a bit more ambitious and make super modern developments that incorporate all the wider costs. People are essentially not doing their accounting correctly. Even the one I refer to will look dated now because it was conceived in the mid to late 80s, and this global warming lark was not a thing back then and fuel was cheap.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 13, 2024 22:45:40 GMT
It's pretty cold in Canada at the moment (well it is midwinter) so EV aficionados are suffering..
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 14:12:28 GMT
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Post by patman post on Jan 14, 2024 17:14:00 GMT
It's now 2024 and car rental companies tend to sell their vehicle after one to two years — contacts in the industry tell me the average is about 22 months.
Hertz appears to have purchased the bulk of its Teslas before their prices were reduced by Musk to encourage sales. Now many of the cars are due for replacement, Hertz may reckon that the reduced prices it will get could be offset by replacing them with lower priced ICEs.
By the time these are due for replacement, indications are that new EV prices will have dropped, making them a better investment...
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 20:08:24 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 14, 2024 22:53:21 GMT
You can understand why Hertz are ditching EV's - this reporter rented one to go from Chicago to New York, so hardly out in the sticks. The amount of charging stops that were required because of the cold weather was insane - it's really no wonder that demand just is not there.
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Post by thomas on Jan 16, 2024 20:00:25 GMT
You can understand why Hertz are ditching EV's - this reporter rented one to go from Chicago to New York, so hardly out in the sticks. The amount of charging stops that were required because of the cold weather was insane - it's really no wonder that demand just is not there. Tesla supercharging station packed in Oak Brook, dead cars line parking lot due to frigid temps
Beard was among the dozens of Tesla owners trying desperately to power up their cars at the Tesla supercharging station in Oak Brook. It was a scene mirrored with long lines and abandoned cars at scores of other charging stations around the Chicago area.
"This is crazy. It’s a disaster. Seriously," said Tesla owner Chalis Mizelle.
Mizelle was forced to abandon her car and get a ride from a friend when it wouldn’t charge.
Another man summed up the situation succinctly: "We got a bunch of dead robots out here."www.fox32chicago.com/news/dead-teslas-oak-brook
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