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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 23, 2023 23:35:59 GMT
It was never going to be cheap in rip-off Blighty.
Actually for everyone else prices of EVs are coming down, not up. Unfortunately the stupid Brits voted for that wanker Johnson who almost tripled our electricity price for getting involved in war and US sanctions.
And yet sales have collapsed in Germany because subsidies have been removed. As for the price of electricity that is an interesting argument - who should pay?. A single fast charger draws more power than 100 homes. It is going to be expensive to build out the upstream transformers and infrastructure to supply a charging station with 20 fast chargers. Should everyone pay for that? Or should those costs be built into the cost to charge? Yes indeed it is going to be expensive to upgrade the grid. The issue is the price of copper. As I keep trying to point out, the fast chargers are getting much faster now, so like a row of 20 of them is a lot of power. These are the fastest so far. www.huawei.com/en/media-center/multimedia/videos/2023/supercharger-heart-innovationThey do 600kW each so 12MW for car park of 20. I think the answer is we need to look into transmitting electrical power at very high DC voltages. Indeed there is something our universities could work on if they were not preoccupied with working out the difference between man and woman. New technology is usually the solution. Managing a full charge in 5 minutes is impressive stuff from the point of view of the battery manufacturer. They have done their job. Now we need to work on tech for the grid system. I mean we have managed to get fibre optics to many people now, so the digging of the roads is doable. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 24, 2023 4:42:47 GMT
And yet sales have collapsed in Germany because subsidies have been removed. As for the price of electricity that is an interesting argument - who should pay?. A single fast charger draws more power than 100 homes. It is going to be expensive to build out the upstream transformers and infrastructure to supply a charging station with 20 fast chargers. Should everyone pay for that? Or should those costs be built into the cost to charge? Yes indeed it is going to be expensive to upgrade the grid. The issue is the price of copper. As I keep trying to point out, the fast chargers are getting much faster now, so like a row of 20 of them is a lot of power. These are the fastest so far. www.huawei.com/en/media-center/multimedia/videos/2023/supercharger-heart-innovationThey do 600kW each so 12MW for car park of 20. I think the answer is we need to look into transmitting electrical power at very high DC voltages. Indeed there is something our universities could work on if they were not preoccupied with working out the difference between man and woman. New technology is usually the solution. Managing a full charge in 5 minutes is impressive stuff from the point of view of the battery manufacturer. They have done their job. Now we need to work on tech for the grid system. I mean we have managed to get fibre optics to many people now, so the digging of the roads is doable. Solar panel firm with bumburgh ad sued over £1.5m house fire.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 24, 2023 7:57:07 GMT
Yes indeed it is going to be expensive to upgrade the grid. The issue is the price of copper. As I keep trying to point out, the fast chargers are getting much faster now, so like a row of 20 of them is a lot of power. These are the fastest so far. www.huawei.com/en/media-center/multimedia/videos/2023/supercharger-heart-innovationThey do 600kW each so 12MW for car park of 20. I think the answer is we need to look into transmitting electrical power at very high DC voltages. Indeed there is something our universities could work on if they were not preoccupied with working out the difference between man and woman. New technology is usually the solution. Managing a full charge in 5 minutes is impressive stuff from the point of view of the battery manufacturer. They have done their job. Now we need to work on tech for the grid system. I mean we have managed to get fibre optics to many people now, so the digging of the roads is doable. Solar panel firm with bumburgh ad sued over £1.5m house fire.
OMG couple sue over badly carried out electrical work. That's never happened before. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 24, 2023 8:08:12 GMT
Solar panel firm with bumburgh ad sued over £1.5m house fire.
OMG couple sue over badly carried out electrical work. That's never happened before. Only total pricks have ticking time bombs on their roofs and their drives. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 24, 2023 8:10:50 GMT
Solar panel firm with bumburgh ad sued over £1.5m house fire.
OMG couple sue over badly carried out electrical work. That's never happened before. Only total pricks have ticking time bombs on their roofs and their drives. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 24, 2023 8:22:04 GMT
Well I removed the poison gas generator from my home. Only a dick for brains thinks the old crap is safer.
Around 40 people die, and around 300 injured, from accidental carbon monoxide (CO) poisoning each year in England and Wales.
Petrol and diesel vehicles were almost 20 times more likely to catch fire than electric-powered machines.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 24, 2023 8:24:10 GMT
Well I removed the poison gas generator from my home. Only a dick for brains thinks the old crap is safer. Around 40 people die, and around 300 injured, from accidental carbon monoxide (CO) poisoning each year in England and Wales. Petrol and diesel vehicles were almost 20 times more likely to catch fire than electric-powered machines. Total bollocks zany like all your pro bumburgh bullshit. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 24, 2023 8:39:17 GMT
According to the headline at your link, Dale says "How my 11-hour journey from hell proves Britain is hopelessly unprepared for electric cars". It's not a universal problem.
The fact that even someone as intelligent as you DD can't see that these cars are useless - and always will be - just shows how powerful the "drip drip" of green indoctrination is. I expect people like zany to believe any daft fad that comes along but .... There are so many problems with this technology that it's hard to know where to begin. If you say that there aren't enough charging points you're right of course. But who's going to build them? The private sector aren't going to because you can't make a profit from them. And then how many do we need? As a rough rule of thumb we need about 20 times (minimum) as many chargers as there are petrol/diesel pumps - look up the data and start wondering where the land comes from to site them. And then you have the problem that the National Grid can't support even the tiny number we now have - most of which are useless slow chargers. Richard Tice wanted to install a reasonably fast charger (50kW) at one of his businesses but has now given up after trying for years because the costs are huge and there's a wait of many years. The National Grid was NEVER designed to do this and will need huge updating that will cost vast amounts of money. Etc. Then you've got the problem of the actual supply of electricity. Latest estimates are that we need 5 more nuclear stations like Hinckley C - which is costing over £100 billion to build and has taken 11 years so far. Then you've got the problem of how long these cars take to charge up. That's an intractable problem because of the basic physics of delivering energy down a wire. It's ALWAYS going to take too long to be practical for most people. Then you have the cost - these cars started off as being cheap to run but now they're not. Then the danger of the batteries exploding. As more come onto the rods and they get older this will become more apparent. Then there's the problem that battery failure causes the WHOLE car to be written off - not very green. You get the idea. Remember it took only ONE problem (which can be solved) to put the kybosh on diesels. But there's the even bigger problem that it's highly dubious that these cars will result in less CO2 emissions than what they're replacing, because of the cost (and environmental damage) of building the batteries. The whole thing is just an outbreak collective insanity on a vast scale. In a few years we'll look back on this as some kind mass delusion, probably provoked by clever disinformation by our many enemies. Tesla will be bust of course, but the mainstream car manufacturers will just carry on making petrol cars - massively enriched by the "subsidies" they've screwed out of governments for "green" vehicles. These people KNOW that it's all a joke but they also know they can make vast sums from going along with it. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 24, 2023 9:03:00 GMT
Well I removed the poison gas generator from my home. Only a dick for brains thinks the old crap is safer. Around 40 people die, and around 300 injured, from accidental carbon monoxide (CO) poisoning each year in England and Wales. Petrol and diesel vehicles were almost 20 times more likely to catch fire than electric-powered machines. Total bollocks zany like all your pro bumburgh bullshit. That all you got. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 24, 2023 9:07:02 GMT
Total bollocks zany like all your pro bumburgh bullshit. That all you got. Its far more than you have... |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 24, 2023 9:18:58 GMT
Its far more than you have... Its fuck all. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 24, 2023 9:34:12 GMT
Its far more than you have... Its fuck all. Every fucking thread on the subject you try to convert to a tribute to bumburgher. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 24, 2023 10:32:17 GMT
According to the headline at your link, Dale says "How my 11-hour journey from hell proves Britain is hopelessly unprepared for electric cars". It's not a universal problem.
The fact that even someone as intelligent as you DD can't see that these cars are useless - and always will be - just shows how powerful the "drip drip" of green indoctrination is. I expect people like zany to believe any daft fad that comes along but .... There are so many problems with this technology that it's hard to know where to begin. If you say that there aren't enough charging points you're right of course. But who's going to build them? The private sector aren't going to because you can't make a profit from them. And then how many do we need? As a rough rule of thumb we need about 20 times (minimum) as many chargers as there are petrol/diesel pumps - look up the data and start wondering where the land comes from to site them. And then you have the problem that the National Grid can't support even the tiny number we now have - most of which are useless slow chargers. Richard Tice wanted to install a reasonably fast charger (50kW) at one of his businesses but has now given up after trying for years because the costs are huge and there's a wait of many years. The National Grid was NEVER designed to do this and will need huge updating that will cost vast amounts of money. Etc. Then you've got the problem of the actual supply of electricity. Latest estimates are that we need 5 more nuclear stations like Hinckley C - which is costing over £100 billion to build and has taken 11 years so far. Then you've got the problem of how long these cars take to charge up. That's an intractable problem because of the basic physics of delivering energy down a wire. It's ALWAYS going to take too long to be practical for most people. Then you have the cost - these cars started off as being cheap to run but now they're not. Then the danger of the batteries exploding. As more come onto the rods and they get older this will become more apparent. Then there's the problem that battery failure causes the WHOLE car to be written off - not very green. You get the idea. Remember it took only ONE problem (which can be solved) to put the kybosh on diesels. But there's the even bigger problem that it's highly dubious that these cars will result in less CO2 emissions than what they're replacing, because of the cost (and environmental damage) of building the batteries. The whole thing is just an outbreak collective insanity on a vast scale. In a few years we'll look back on this as some kind mass delusion, probably provoked by clever disinformation by our many enemies. Tesla will be bust of course, but the mainstream car manufacturers will just carry on making petrol cars - massively enriched by the "subsidies" they've screwed out of governments for "green" vehicles. These people KNOW that it's all a joke but they also know they can make vast sums from going along with it. Once again, it's silly to want to project a set of problems that are unique to the UK onto other, more developed countries. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 24, 2023 10:39:21 GMT
Every fucking thread on the subject you try to convert to a tribute to bumburgher. You mean I fight my corner. No shit. Happy Christmas |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 24, 2023 10:54:30 GMT
The fact that even someone as intelligent as you DD can't see that these cars are useless - and always will be - just shows how powerful the "drip drip" of green indoctrination is. I expect people like zany to believe any daft fad that comes along but .... There are so many problems with this technology that it's hard to know where to begin. If you say that there aren't enough charging points you're right of course. But who's going to build them? The private sector aren't going to because you can't make a profit from them. And then how many do we need? As a rough rule of thumb we need about 20 times (minimum) as many chargers as there are petrol/diesel pumps - look up the data and start wondering where the land comes from to site them. And then you have the problem that the National Grid can't support even the tiny number we now have - most of which are useless slow chargers. Richard Tice wanted to install a reasonably fast charger (50kW) at one of his businesses but has now given up after trying for years because the costs are huge and there's a wait of many years. The National Grid was NEVER designed to do this and will need huge updating that will cost vast amounts of money. Etc. Then you've got the problem of the actual supply of electricity. Latest estimates are that we need 5 more nuclear stations like Hinckley C - which is costing over £100 billion to build and has taken 11 years so far. Then you've got the problem of how long these cars take to charge up. That's an intractable problem because of the basic physics of delivering energy down a wire. It's ALWAYS going to take too long to be practical for most people. Then you have the cost - these cars started off as being cheap to run but now they're not. Then the danger of the batteries exploding. As more come onto the rods and they get older this will become more apparent. Then there's the problem that battery failure causes the WHOLE car to be written off - not very green. You get the idea. Remember it took only ONE problem (which can be solved) to put the kybosh on diesels. But there's the even bigger problem that it's highly dubious that these cars will result in less CO2 emissions than what they're replacing, because of the cost (and environmental damage) of building the batteries. The whole thing is just an outbreak collective insanity on a vast scale. In a few years we'll look back on this as some kind mass delusion, probably provoked by clever disinformation by our many enemies. Tesla will be bust of course, but the mainstream car manufacturers will just carry on making petrol cars - massively enriched by the "subsidies" they've screwed out of governments for "green" vehicles. These people KNOW that it's all a joke but they also know they can make vast sums from going along with it. Once again, it's silly to want to project a set of problems that are unique to the UK onto other, more developed countries. It is not unique to the UK DD. |
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