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Post by zanygame on Dec 23, 2023 9:28:10 GMT
It came from the article you linked. Did you not read it? Yep and the stats are well out of date. Nobody wants these electric timebombs that have no range. Strange that you linked it then.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 23, 2023 9:30:36 GMT
Yep and the stats are well out of date. Nobody wants these electric timebombs that have no range. Strange that you linked it then. Strange you support EV's as yours is a hybrid.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 23, 2023 9:38:48 GMT
Now that BEVs routinely do 500km/300 miles on a full charge, range anxiety should be a thing of the past. It means you get range anxiety less often, but you still have the problem that it's going to take you many hours recharge the battery when it does runout. And the fact that many manufacturers CLAIM this range doesn't mean that many cars actually achieve that range in real life. For example a Mini electric does about 3 miles on 1 kWh and that's the REAL life mileage. So a car the size and weight of a Mini would need a 100kWh to do 300 miles. Bigger cars would need even bigger batteries. The next problem is that the National Grid simply can't supply the fast chargers that you're talking about. Sure, there are the occasional 150kW chargers around (if you search them out) but the only way that they can sustain that rate of charging is if they've got battery back up - the National Grid (even on their expensive fast connections) rarely delivers more than 40kW over a period of time. And if you're charging at home you're limited to 7kW which will take at least 15 hours to charge a 100 kWh battery. Ian Dale bought a very expensive Audi e-tron GT and he described his experiences on his LBC radio program - he basically summed it up as "useless". link
Electric cars were abandoned over 100 years ago as a means of travel (except for milk floats and the like) when the ICE engine arrived. The batteries took too long to charge and were too big and heavy. Over 100 years later these problems still remain - but unfortunately they've been joined by a huge list of other problems. Whilst Dan is right about it not being a typical journey, it is a good article. The charging system is very haphazard and needs to use modern technology far better. We also need a change in councils attitudes to on street charging to deal with these aspects of EV ownership.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 23, 2023 9:42:09 GMT
Strange that you linked it then. Strange you support EV's as yours is a hybrid. Mot really. My reasons for buying a hybrid are open on here. My support for it well known. My next car will be all electric. Your attempt at being another Bentley a failure. But you didn't read the article you posted, you just searched google for "EV bad" and added the links, thus diminishing the quality of your opinions even further.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 23, 2023 9:53:23 GMT
Strange you support EV's as yours is a hybrid. Mot really. My reasons for buying a hybrid are open on here. My support for it well known. My next car will be all electric. Your attempt at being another Bentley a failure. But you didn't read the article you posted, you just searched google for "EV bad" and added the links, thus diminishing the quality of your opinions even further. They say there is one born every minute. I filled my trusty diesel yesterday just so I had a full tank for any emergencies. No quing for hours and I know that if I have to use my heater, wipers lights etc it won't cut my range by a single iota.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 23, 2023 10:47:10 GMT
Mot really. My reasons for buying a hybrid are open on here. My support for it well known. My next car will be all electric. Your attempt at being another Bentley a failure. But you didn't read the article you posted, you just searched google for "EV bad" and added the links, thus diminishing the quality of your opinions even further. They say there is one born every minute. I filled my trusty diesel yesterday just so I had a full tank for any emergencies. No quing for hours and I know that if I have to use my heater, wipers lights etc it won't cut my range by a single iota. Well done you. My son put 270 miles in his car for a tenner. He did it in his sleep. Yours cost you £70 quid for the same. Mug. And as a bonus his heater works just fine. Oh and BTW your electricals in your car do use power and do cut your range.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 23, 2023 11:27:17 GMT
They say there is one born every minute. I filled my trusty diesel yesterday just so I had a full tank for any emergencies. No quing for hours and I know that if I have to use my heater, wipers lights etc it won't cut my range by a single iota. Well done you. My son put 270 miles in his car for a tenner. He did it in his sleep. Yours cost you £70 quid for the same. Mug. And as a bonus his heater works just fine. Oh and BTW your electricals in your car do use power and do cut your range. Yes well done me, I have no range anxiety and no charger rage. Ain't life great and of course the other major part of owning a diesel is it pisses off the bumburghers....Happy days.
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Post by Orac on Dec 23, 2023 11:29:04 GMT
They say there is one born every minute. I filled my trusty diesel yesterday just so I had a full tank for any emergencies. No quing for hours and I know that if I have to use my heater, wipers lights etc it won't cut my range by a single iota. Oh and BTW your electricals in your car do use power and do cut your range. A technical truth that hides the practical truth. The heater in an IC car (the part that really is sometimes needed) wont cut your range, Using AC in an IC car will cut your range. The other gizmos (radio ect) will technically cut your range barely perceptibly - they probably knock of a mpg ( a guess at what a 20 watt load looks like to an ic engine). However, this is where the real difference lies - an ic engine doesn't have a range / refueling issue and so these smaller loads really mean nothing. ..and so in summary The accessory that may well be essential (the heater) massively effects the range of electrical cars and does nothing to the range of an IC car The AC will affect both IC and electrical Other accessories have very negligible effect on both. However, any effect is more deleterious to the function of an electric car because electric cars have a bad enough refueling problem to start with.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 23, 2023 11:33:41 GMT
Oh and BTW your electricals in your car do use power and do cut your range. A technical truth that hides the practical truth. The heater in an IC car (the part that really is sometimes needed) wont cut your range, Using AC in an IC car will cut your range. The other gizmos (radio ect) will technically cut your range barely perceptibly - they probably knock of a mpg ( a guess at what a 20 watt load looks like to an ic engine). However, this is where the real difference lies - an ic engine doesn't have a range / refueling issue and so these smaller loads really mean nothing. ..and so in summary The accessory that may well be essential (the heater) massively effects the range of electrical cars and does nothing to the range of an IC car The AC will affect both IC and electrical Other accessories have very negligible effect on both. However, any effect is more deleterious to the function of an electric car because electric cars have a bad enough refueling problem to start with. Your post will fall on deaf ears Orac.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 23, 2023 11:40:19 GMT
It's unclear why so many posters here are vehemently opposed to EVs when (a) they don't own one and (b) the problems owners do have are rarely anything to do with the vehicles themselves. Having to subsidise them might have something to do with it...
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 23, 2023 12:15:47 GMT
You are living on another universe BVL. Along with your sat phones and ever lasting batteries...LOL Don't bother asking next time.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 23, 2023 12:20:36 GMT
Way out of date. Electricity prices, EV insurance and depreciation are now much higher now than when this survey was done. hence the collapse in private buyers looking for EV's now. It was never going to be cheap in rip-off Blighty.
Actually for everyone else prices of EVs are coming down, not up. Unfortunately the stupid Brits voted for that wanker Johnson who almost tripled our electricity price for getting involved in war and US sanctions.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 23, 2023 12:52:35 GMT
You are living on another universe BVL. Along with your sat phones and ever lasting batteries...LOL Don't bother asking next time. I wouldn't ask you for anything BVL.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 23, 2023 13:56:06 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Dec 23, 2023 16:18:51 GMT
Well done you. My son put 270 miles in his car for a tenner. He did it in his sleep. Yours cost you £70 quid for the same. Mug. And as a bonus his heater works just fine. Oh and BTW your electricals in your car do use power and do cut your range. Yes well done me, I have no range anxiety and no charger rage. Ain't life great and of course the other major part of owning a diesel is it pisses off the bumburghers....Happy days. No one has range anxiety anymore, you're so yesterday like your old gas guzzling diesel. And if you own a car to piss off people you care nothing about I pity your empty life.
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