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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 23, 2023 1:45:43 GMT
The total cost of ownership of EVs vs ICE in the UK is EVs are 21% cheaper, according to a recent study. Have you a link to that BS BVL?
EDIT.......‘The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face soaring insurance costs
Soaring energy costs could threaten future of electric cars, experts warn
Study determines the astronomical true cost of electric vehicle ownership
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Post by jonksy on Dec 23, 2023 2:08:58 GMT
Have you a link to that BS BVL?
EDIT.......‘The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face soaring insurance costs
Soaring energy costs could threaten future of electric cars, experts warn
Study determines the astronomical true cost of electric vehicle ownership
You are living on another universe BVL. Along with your sat phones and ever lasting batteries...LOL |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 23, 2023 7:38:16 GMT
The total cost of ownership of EVs vs ICE in the UK is EVs are 21% cheaper, according to a recent study. Have you a link to that BS BVL?
EDIT.......‘The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face soaring insurance costs
Soaring energy costs could threaten future of electric cars, experts warn
Study determines the astronomical true cost of electric vehicle ownership
Interesting study. It concludes: "Multiple hurdles need to be cleared to achieve widespread EV adoption," S&P wrote. "Buyers may want to wait for the next technological advance, or have concerns about charging time and charger availability, but in the end, consumer finances — not engineering — lead the current buying resistance to EVs." So, its the cost of living crises. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 23, 2023 7:53:36 GMT
Have you a link to that BS BVL?
EDIT.......‘The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face soaring insurance costs
Soaring energy costs could threaten future of electric cars, experts warn
Study determines the astronomical true cost of electric vehicle ownership
Interesting study. It concludes: "Multiple hurdles need to be cleared to achieve widespread EV adoption," S&P wrote. "Buyers may want to wait for the next technological advance, or have concerns about charging time and charger availability, but in the end, consumer finances — not engineering — lead the current buying resistance to EVs." So, its the cost of living crises. Nothing to do with the cost of living. People are not falling for the electric dream. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 23, 2023 8:00:43 GMT
Have you a link to that BS BVL?
EDIT.......‘The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face soaring insurance costs
Soaring energy costs could threaten future of electric cars, experts warn
Study determines the astronomical true cost of electric vehicle ownership
Way out of date. Electricity prices, EV insurance and depreciation are now much higher now than when this survey was done. hence the collapse in private buyers looking for EV's now. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 23, 2023 8:31:32 GMT
Interesting study. It concludes: "Multiple hurdles need to be cleared to achieve widespread EV adoption," S&P wrote. "Buyers may want to wait for the next technological advance, or have concerns about charging time and charger availability, but in the end, consumer finances — not engineering — lead the current buying resistance to EVs." So, its the cost of living crises. Nothing to do with the cost of living. People are not falling for the electric dream. It came from the article you linked. Did you not read it? |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 23, 2023 8:36:00 GMT
Nothing to do with the cost of living. People are not falling for the electric dream. It came from the article you linked. Did you not read it? Yep and the stats are well out of date. Nobody wants these electric timebombs that have no range. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 23, 2023 8:44:37 GMT
Now that BEVs routinely do 500km/300 miles on a full charge, range anxiety should be a thing of the past. It means you get range anxiety less often, but you still have the problem that it's going to take you many hours recharge the battery when it does runout. And the fact that many manufacturers CLAIM this range doesn't mean that many cars actually achieve that range in real life. For example a Mini electric does about 3 miles on 1 kWh and that's the REAL life mileage. So a car the size and weight of a Mini would need a 100kWh to do 300 miles. Bigger cars would need even bigger batteries. The next problem is that the National Grid simply can't supply the fast chargers that you're talking about. Sure, there are the occasional 150kW chargers around (if you search them out) but the only way that they can sustain that rate of charging is if they've got battery back up - the National Grid (even on their expensive fast connections) rarely delivers more than 40kW over a period of time. And if you're charging at home you're limited to 7kW which will take at least 15 hours to charge a 100 kWh battery. Ian Dale bought a very expensive Audi e-tron GT and he described his experiences on his LBC radio program - he basically summed it up as "useless". link
Electric cars were abandoned over 100 years ago as a means of travel (except for milk floats and the like) when the ICE engine arrived. The batteries took too long to charge and were too big and heavy. Over 100 years later these problems still remain - but unfortunately they've been joined by a huge list of other problems.  |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 23, 2023 8:58:21 GMT
According to the headline at your link, Dale says "How my 11-hour journey from hell proves Britain is hopelessly unprepared for electric cars". It's not a universal problem.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 23, 2023 9:03:25 GMT
According to the headline at your link, Dale says "How my 11-hour journey from hell proves Britain is hopelessly unprepared for electric cars". It's not a universal problem. It is universal Dan. The USA have the same problems along with the members of the EUSSR. EDIT.....https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/12/america-ev-chargers-keep-breaking-heres-why-00089181 |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 23, 2023 9:08:47 GMT
It's not a problem on the continent, nor to the best of my knowledge, is it one in the United States. Neither have even close to the vehicle congestion that the UK experiences. And the charging infrastructure has in general kept pace with the EV population. I visited a Tesla Supercharger station in the south of France on Thursday with twelve stalls only three of which were in use. What Dale is moaning about is a peculiarly British problem.
It's unclear why so many posters here are vehemently opposed to EVs when (a) they don't own one and (b) the problems owners do have are rarely anything to do with the vehicles themselves.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 23, 2023 9:10:30 GMT
It's not a problem on the continent, nor to the best of my knowledge, is it one in the United States. Neither have even close to the vehicle congestion that the UK experiences. And the charging infrastructure has in general kept pace with the EV population. I visited a Tesla Supercharger station in the south of France on Thursday with twelve stalls only three of which were in use. What Dale is moaning about is a peculiarly British problem. Then you do some research. People are not falling into the EV trap. EDIT....https://www.connexionfrance.com/article/Practical/Transport/Electric-car-owners-let-down-by-lack-of-fast-chargers-in-France www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/05/power-vacuum-how-a-lack-of-charging-stations-is-holding-back-australias-ev-revolution |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 23, 2023 9:14:17 GMT
British people may not be not falling in the EV trap. Don't imagine that problems afflicting your corner of the world are problems everywhere else.
PS it appears that the Tesla Model Y will be the biggest-selling passenger vehicle worldwide in 2023.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 23, 2023 9:18:24 GMT
Australia like the UK is notoriously poor at creating public infrastructure. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 23, 2023 9:22:08 GMT
Australia like the UK is notoriously poor at creating public infrastructure. EV's do not have the range for the vast area of Australia. And it is even worse in NZ. |
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