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Post by zanygame on Dec 20, 2023 8:52:55 GMT
Do you not understand the meaning of 1 in 1,470? It means out of every 1,470 1 catches fire. EV's do the journeys as ICE vehicles. People haven't stopped living their lives because they bought an EV. As for shaking a battery I'm sure they thought of that. How do you feel about sitting in front of 50 ltrs of highly volatile liquid. Far more likely to catch fire, or do you think they might have considered that. Now stop making shit up or give me some evidence. Everything you've said so far I have shown is incorrect whilst you have shown nothing. 7.5pelectric is just a trial, which must mean its going to end soon. How much more crap can you make up. Even if it doubled to 15p it would still only cost 4.8p a mile compared to your gas guzzling 20p a mile. Just like they thought about the NOx emissions of diesels.  Like I said you're staggeringly gullible zany. And everything you've said is obviously wrong. No one buys a BEV to do high mileages - they just don't work. They're short journey and shopping cars. For anything else they're useless. But "time makes more converts than argument". It's blindingly obvious that BEVs with Li-ion batteries are a dead-end for so many reasons that you'd need a book to list them all. The only question is how long it will take for them to die. Sales are on the slide and private industry isn't building the charging stations. Only a matter of time. Not the same old bollox about diesels again. No one but you thought swapping away from diesels was about climate change. It was about in town pollution. and don't criticise "gullible" you rely on it for your unfounded hearsay clickbait unproven crap to find a home. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 20, 2023 11:04:47 GMT
Just like they thought about the NOx emissions of diesels. Like I said you're staggeringly gullible zany. And everything you've said is obviously wrong. No one buys a BEV to do high mileages - they just don't work. They're short journey and shopping cars. For anything else they're useless. But "time makes more converts than argument". It's blindingly obvious that BEVs with Li-ion batteries are a dead-end for so many reasons that you'd need a book to list them all. The only question is how long it will take for them to die. Sales are on the slide and private industry isn't building the charging stations. Only a matter of time. Not the same old bollox about diesels again. No one but you thought swapping away from diesels was about climate change. It was about in town pollution. and don't criticise "gullible" you rely on it for your unfounded hearsay clickbait unproven crap to find a home. They bolted so much crap on Diesels to make them run cleaner and put them up as the clean alternative, they not only became totally unreliable it made them worse than a petrol car. Although I am told that diesel is cheaper to produce than petrol by over charging for it, it has helped kill them off. So, I guess you have a win under your belt on that one. |
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Post by dodgydave on Dec 20, 2023 12:46:00 GMT
I'd say 1 in 3 houses on my estate now have charge points. Night time tariffs are 7.5p - 9p/kwh. Personally, my 60 mile commute costs me £1.40 in electric... 2.4p per mile... and the car was £35k new on salary sacrifice and costs £320 a month for EVERYTHING... and there was no deposit. The wife's £55k Merc only costs her £400 a month, again no deposit. As they are on salary sacrifice they actually become cheaper the more you earn. My V8 diesel Range Rover does low twenties mpg, Mrs R's diesel Fiesta does about 50 mpg, more on a long run. No range anxiety, no chargers necessary, and those engines are good for 250,000 miles no problem. How many miles is your battery good for dodgy and more to the point, how much will it cost to replace your battery? It won't cost me anything, its on salary sacrifice so I get a brand new one every 2 years  Range anxiety? How often do you over 250 in one journey? We have literally had to use a public charger twice. My bladders and the wife's need for coffee is far less than 250 miles lol. Personally I find it far more convenient, to charge it overnight and never have to go to a petrol station. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 20, 2023 15:06:55 GMT
My V8 diesel Range Rover does low twenties mpg, Mrs R's diesel Fiesta does about 50 mpg, more on a long run. No range anxiety, no chargers necessary, and those engines are good for 250,000 miles no problem. How many miles is your battery good for dodgy and more to the point, how much will it cost to replace your battery? It won't cost me anything, its on salary sacrifice so I get a brand new one every 2 years Range anxiety? How often do you over 250 in one journey? We have literally had to use a public charger twice. My bladders and the wife's need for coffee is far less than 250 miles lol. Personally I find it far more convenient, to charge it overnight and never have to go to a petrol station. Well if it's on salary sacrifice it is costing you. Have you seen this? A Tesla owner was quoted £17,000 to replace the battery in his 10 year old car, so he blew it up. (lol) link |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 20, 2023 16:18:14 GMT
My V8 diesel Range Rover does low twenties mpg, Mrs R's diesel Fiesta does about 50 mpg, more on a long run. No range anxiety, no chargers necessary, and those engines are good for 250,000 miles no problem. How many miles is your battery good for dodgy and more to the point, how much will it cost to replace your battery? so I get a brand new one every 2 years How does that work?. I always thought that a salary sacrifice arrangement is an agreement to reduce an employee’s entitlement to cash pay, usually in return for a non-cash benefit. is it different nowdays? |
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Post by Orac on Dec 20, 2023 16:57:09 GMT
It's a good Job some of us read the small-print
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 20, 2023 17:10:02 GMT
CATL wins best battery in the world from the Europeans. Why? 1) charges in 10m 2) does not blow up 3) good price 4) good temp range And so on. Just good all round.
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 21, 2023 8:44:03 GMT
Bollocks ^^^^
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 21, 2023 8:56:03 GMT
Just like they thought about the NOx emissions of diesels. Like I said you're staggeringly gullible zany. And everything you've said is obviously wrong. No one buys a BEV to do high mileages - they just don't work. They're short journey and shopping cars. For anything else they're useless. But "time makes more converts than argument". It's blindingly obvious that BEVs with Li-ion batteries are a dead-end for so many reasons that you'd need a book to list them all. The only question is how long it will take for them to die. Sales are on the slide and private industry isn't building the charging stations. Only a matter of time. Not the same old bollox about diesels again. No one but you thought swapping away from diesels was about climate change. It was about in town pollution. and don't criticise "gullible" you rely on it for your unfounded hearsay clickbait unproven crap to find a home. Muppet. The incentives for people to buy diesels were to cut CO2 (diesels emit about 10% less CO2 than petrol cars). Unfortunately our great leaders forgot that they emitted so much NOx that they meant most of our cities then had illegal levels of NOx. This was obvious to anyone who knew the science yet the govt didn't know. They then decided that diesels were a bad idea and reversed the incentives - but not before loads had been sold and people like you still drive diesel SUVs. These are the most environmentally unfriendly cars ever invented - a huge 2 ton hulk with the aerodynamics of a brick that churns out pollution. Autocar said the adoption by the public of huge diesel 4X4s singlehandedly wiped out all the efficiency improvements of about 40 years of development by the car manufacturers. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 21, 2023 10:57:20 GMT
Not the same old bollox about diesels again. No one but you thought swapping away from diesels was about climate change. It was about in town pollution. and don't criticise "gullible" you rely on it for your unfounded hearsay clickbait unproven crap to find a home. Muppet. The incentives for people to buy diesels were to cut CO2 (diesels emit about 10% less CO2 than petrol cars). Unfortunately our great leaders forgot that they emitted so much NOx that they meant most of our cities then had illegal levels of NOx. This was obvious to anyone who knew the science yet the govt didn't know. They then decided that diesels were a bad idea and reversed the incentives - but not before loads had been sold and people like you still drive diesel SUVs. These are the most environmentally unfriendly cars ever invented - a huge 2 ton hulk with the aerodynamics of a brick that churns out pollution. Autocar said the adoption by the public of huge diesel 4X4s singlehandedly wiped out all the efficiency improvements of about 40 years of development by the car manufacturers. Then how come I knew the real reasons Incidentally a diesel does not have to be a 2 ton hulk. That is a lifestyle choice. Your arguments are truly a bollox of meandering suppositions. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 21, 2023 16:33:32 GMT
It won't cost me anything, its on salary sacrifice so I get a brand new one every 2 years How does that work?. I always thought that a salary sacrifice arrangement is an agreement to reduce an employee’s entitlement to cash pay, usually in return for a non-cash benefit. is it different nowdays? Ok this gets complex and it won’t help me anything like as much because i pay absolutely NO NI any more i’ve hit state retirement age BUT Salary Sacrifice mainly worked for purchases of things you needed for your job, and for which a reduced salary meant reduced NI payments, in exchange for a P11D benefit HOWEVER A bunch of sharp suited scum a few barrel bottoms below endowment insurance salesmen have cobbled together a scam whereby PCP payments are converted into contract hire payments plus insurance plus servicing and then they persuaded the tax man these plans qualified for the FOUR per cent tax rate a company EV is P11D’d at instead of the THIRTY EIGHT per cent a petrol car would be P11D’d at At least that’s how the bloke i’ve bought most of the cars i’ve used to do my job for the last 30 years from explained it to me. It relies on Jezza Hunt maintaining his massive tax subsidy on green shyte. Which means it probably will burn the wallets of most participants soon |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 22:26:59 GMT
This thread has run and run and run RRackham. A bit like an old diesel.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 22, 2023 0:16:12 GMT
This thread has run and run and run RRackham. A bit like an old diesel. LOL, I'll take that bait. My car is an old V8 diesel, a 2010. It's very comfortable and in superb condition, it has c92,000 miles on it and is good for 250,000. In other words it will outlive any EV you buy today several times over. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 22, 2023 8:05:40 GMT
Muppet. The incentives for people to buy diesels were to cut CO2 (diesels emit about 10% less CO2 than petrol cars). Unfortunately our great leaders forgot that they emitted so much NOx that they meant most of our cities then had illegal levels of NOx. This was obvious to anyone who knew the science yet the govt didn't know. They then decided that diesels were a bad idea and reversed the incentives - but not before loads had been sold and people like you still drive diesel SUVs. These are the most environmentally unfriendly cars ever invented - a huge 2 ton hulk with the aerodynamics of a brick that churns out pollution. Autocar said the adoption by the public of huge diesel 4X4s singlehandedly wiped out all the efficiency improvements of about 40 years of development by the car manufacturers.
Incidentally a diesel does not have to be a 2 ton hulk. That is a lifestyle choice. Your arguments are truly a bollox of meandering suppositions. Nonsensical. The "real reason" that the then govt gave tax incentives for people to drive diesels was that diesel engines produce slightly less CO2 (because they're more efficient). Sadly they poison the air with NOx. At least CO2 is completely harmless and actually has many beneficial effects for the planet. And of course a diesel car doesn't have to be a 2 ton hulk - although they are heavier than petrol cars - but the fact remains that you (and many other ignorant people) choose to drive around in a 2 ton diesel hulk with the aerodynamics of a brick. That's bad enough, but the fact that you seem to think that you're saving the planet shows just far this ecomental lunacy has gone. If you had any concern for the planet you'd get yourself an efficient petrol car. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 22, 2023 9:01:56 GMT
This thread has run and run and run RRackham. A bit like an old diesel. I’ll take that bait too L495 FHB was my first ever diesel car, a Rover 418 SLD. I sold it when the R registration came out, by which time it had done almost a half a million miles. It was the height of my road warrior freelance career. Notable moments behind the wheel included the week Gordon Fucking Brown moved into Number 11, when i filled it up on the Tuesday morning after the bastard hiked fuel duty by 20p and filled it up again days later after he hiked it by the same amount again. That would actually be its last run, i sold it the following week It did 350 miles on a tank flat out pedal to the metal at 119mph all the way. This was 130 miles further than the almost identical H909 NNO Rover 218 petrol my wife had, which only managed 220 miles on that same run although admittedly it had another 5mph. Ah, the days when being an employee of INMARSAT included diplomatic immunity !!!!! I’d go work for them again in a heartbeat if we still had that, jyst to wipe that fucking grin off Drakeford’s face ehen i accumulated speeding tickets faster than The Italian Stallion gets swearing tickets in Demolition Man It took me all the way to Paris from Calais on one tank, and on another occasion comfortably through the night to Nato Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, and that engine never missed a beat. I’ve only cried when selling a car twice. This was one of them Its replacement was R883 DAX, eighteen grand at 1997 prices of Vauxhall Vectra Tourer Estate. A beast of a thing that did 550 miles on one tank with four beefy blokes inside, all our dive tanks and weights and other heavy shit in the boot and our drysuits and go bags in the streamlined top box This was the monster that got me to the River Tamar to witness the 1999 total eclipse, to a former nuclear test facility in the Italian alps to discuss exporting our country’s air accident investigation database to the EU and how to anonymise certain fields to protect UK data from EU prying eyes, and got the dive team to Oban on this day 22 years ago to dive in minus five air temp on a wreck the owner asked us to check over with a brand new three and a half grand underwater video camera. These were cars in which i turned over millions and kept a prime ministers salary for myself. It was the height of my career, the best time of my life ever, and there’s absolutely no way i’d have done it with a Nissan Leaf |
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Like I said you're staggeringly gullible zany. And everything you've said is obviously wrong. No one buys a BEV to do high mileages - they just don't work. They're short journey and shopping cars. For anything else they're useless. 
