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Post by zanygame on Mar 10, 2024 10:16:26 GMT
I particularly like his point that range anxiety is actually re-charging anxiety. For most folks who only travel short distances most of the time its not an issue, but if you regularly do 250 mile round trips (Which after all is only London to Birmingham) its stressful because of the unreliability of the infrastructure. Like anything that could potentially strand you (or significantly delay you), it 'isn't much of an issue until it is and, when it is, it's a significant problem'. Anyone who has driven a car with a slow puncture knows how much such an operation is a continuous pain in the rectum and the tyre going flat always threatening everything else and not always lining up with anything else you need to do.. James addresses this by talking about 'other cars'. A car can have many kinds of deficiencies - not being able to get from 0 to 60 in 3 seconds is a deficiency, but it is a deficiency that can be lived with easily. A car needing somewhat extra expense because the fuel it uses is slightly more expensive - that's another deficiency, but one that can be integrated easily. What can't be lived with comfortably is the kind of deficiency that BEVs have. With a BEV, you either know that the journey can be completed with the fuel in the car when you start, or you are taking a tangible risk by setting out. This is a completely different model of usage to people's current use of IC. Interestingly, BEVs have advantages that make little odds and their disadvantages really matter. You could boil BEVs problems down to recharging - However, recharging is an intractable problem. It can't be solved without a miracle.I was pointing out that was James May's view. But never mind I do tend to agree with him. I think the problem will be solved, I think it will be in several different battery layouts according to usage. There will be smaller fast charging batteries with ranges of 150 miles but 10 minute charging times suitable for those you don't charge at home and travel longer distances. There will be long range batteries with up to 400 miles for other types of driving. If I personally had to blame a single issue it would be the need for speed of change. But making such an argument on a forum that fails to even recognise climate change as something that needs to be dealt with is not possible. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 10, 2024 10:21:37 GMT
The problem may well be solved . Until it is ICE vehicles should be available to purchase .
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Post by Orac on Mar 10, 2024 10:38:55 GMT
The problem may well be solved . Until it is ICE vehicles should be available to purchase . Indeed and perhaps the whole point of the thread. It is a genuine mystery why anyone would argue against this* * except Dan, who sees electrification as an excellent opportunity to get the rif-raf off the road. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 10, 2024 10:46:01 GMT
The problem may well be solved . Until it is ICE vehicles should be available to purchase . Indeed and perhaps the whole point of the thread. It is a genuine mystery why anyone would argue against this* * except Dan, who sees electrification as an excellent opportunity to get the rif-raf off the road. I think some just want that warm fuzzy feeling of being one the pioneers to a net zero UK . If the UK achieves net zero tomorrow it wouldn’t make a huge difference in world CO2 emissions so even if one accepts the need to achieve net zero it’s better for the UK to keep ICE vehicles until the infrastructure is available for alternative vehicles. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 10, 2024 10:54:27 GMT
The problem may well be solved . Until it is ICE vehicles should be available to purchase . Hopefully so. But I also consider the climate a problem to be solved. I would be happy to compromise, but its not a word recognised by those on here. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 10, 2024 10:58:26 GMT
The problem may well be solved . Until it is ICE vehicles should be available to purchase . Hopefully so. But I also consider the climate a problem to be solved. I would be happy to compromise, but it’s not a word recognised by those on here. That’s because you refuse to see it . |
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Post by Orac on Mar 10, 2024 10:58:35 GMT
The problem may well be solved . Until it is ICE vehicles should be available to purchase . Hopefully so. But I also consider the climate a problem to be solved. What about the eventual heat death of the universe - have you got any plans to tackle that? Unfortunately, what started as a kind of left wing / BBC joke has ended up bending people's brains into pretzels |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 10, 2024 11:05:32 GMT
Hopefully so. But I also consider the climate a problem to be solved. What about the eventual heat death of the universe - have you got any plans to tackle that? Unfortunately, what started as a kind of left wing / BBC joke has ended up bending people's brains into pretzels This post is a perfect analogy for how dreadful this forum has become. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 10, 2024 11:32:41 GMT
Goodness - James is precisely re-iterating my key points, even down to so called 'range anxiety' not really being an anxiety about range. I'm beginning to suspect he reads the forum I particularly like his point that range anxiety is actually re-charging anxiety. For most folks who only travel short distances most of the time its not an issue, but if you regularly do 250 mile round trips (Which after all is only London to Birmingham) its stressful because of the unreliability of the infrastructure. Imagine if you were never sure if the petrol stations would have any fuel. So conclusion, not there yet, but making progress. My problem on this forum is its home to so many who think Global warming is unimportant, untrue, unsolvable. So they don't see it as I do. That the reason we are having to run before we can walk is we sat on our arses for years and now we're going to miss the boat.
Hardly - we have cut CO2 emissions more than any other developed country. We are also too small as a country to have any practical effect on climate change so we are damaging our economy and the future prosperity of the young in this country by this virtue signalling nonsense that we need to go further and faster than anyone else. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 10, 2024 11:35:40 GMT
Indeed. The net zero narrative has an element of zealotry over pragmatism.
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 10, 2024 11:48:20 GMT
The problem may well be solved . Until it is ICE vehicles should be available to purchase . Indeed and perhaps the whole point of the thread. It is a genuine mystery why anyone would argue against this* * except Dan, who sees electrification as an excellent opportunity to get the rif-raf off the road. That's one benefit certainly, but the larger one is curing us of the addiction to fossil fuels and the geostrategic constraints that come with that.
'Net zero' is mice-nuts in the grander scheme of things.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 10, 2024 11:54:10 GMT
Indeed. Fossil fuels are a dead end. Wind power, solar power, tidal power and nuclear power are the way to the future . It’s the rate of change that bothers me .
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Post by sheepy on Mar 10, 2024 12:13:36 GMT
Indeed and perhaps the whole point of the thread. It is a genuine mystery why anyone would argue against this* * except Dan, who sees electrification as an excellent opportunity to get the rif-raf off the road. That's one benefit certainly, but the larger one is curing us of the addiction to fossil fuels and the geostrategic constraints that come with that.
'Net zero' is mice-nuts in the grander scheme of things.
How does that work for the thousands of byproducts and what exactly is the timeline? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 10, 2024 12:22:50 GMT
I particularly like his point that range anxiety is actually re-charging anxiety. For most folks who only travel short distances most of the time its not an issue, but if you regularly do 250 mile round trips (Which after all is only London to Birmingham) its stressful because of the unreliability of the infrastructure. Imagine if you were never sure if the petrol stations would have any fuel. So conclusion, not there yet, but making progress. My problem on this forum is its home to so many who think Global warming is unimportant, untrue, unsolvable. So they don't see it as I do. That the reason we are having to run before we can walk is we sat on our arses for years and now we're going to miss the boat.
Hardly - we have cut CO2 emissions more than any other developed country. We are also too small as a country to have any practical effect on climate change so we are damaging our economy and the future prosperity of the young in this country by this virtue signalling nonsense that we need to go further and faster than anyone else. As I have told you before we have cut more because we were worse than most other developed countries. I do tire of repeating the same information endlessly to people who just give the same responses over and over. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 10, 2024 12:24:20 GMT
That's one benefit certainly, but the larger one is curing us of the addiction to fossil fuels and the geostrategic constraints that come with that.
'Net zero' is mice-nuts in the grander scheme of things.
How does that work for the thousands of byproducts and what exactly is the timeline? There would be more oil available for all the by products if we stopped burning it. |
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