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Post by zanygame on Oct 31, 2023 10:59:09 GMT
I haven't denied this. Why must I repeat everything for you? I said: But they do require oxygen to spread beyond the vehicle.
I forget you are unable to reason and need anything you don't immediately agree with explaining. The idea of the shroud is to prevent the flames engulfing the car from spreading beyond it or even burning the seats carpets etc that do need oxygen to burn. Containment. Are another conspiracy theory, so much easier than finding real figures to dispute the claims. I have provided two sources now, you have provided none. And these figures are? I mean they should be quite high seeing as everyone who buys an EV apparently finds them useless for their regular 400 mile journeys LOL. We certainly do. Nothing else will convince you that you are not right. I look forward to your acknowledgement and apology. We'll see. Certainly no shortage of offers at the moment. Still if it gives you hope of causing others misery, do hang in there. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 31, 2023 13:29:03 GMT
I haven't denied this. Why must I repeat everything for you? I said: But they do require oxygen to spread beyond the vehicle.
I forget you are unable to reason and need anything you don't immediately agree with explaining. The idea of the shroud is to prevent the flames engulfing the car from spreading beyond it or even burning the seats carpets etc that do need oxygen to burn. Containment. Jeez. I'm not sure what this "shroud" is made of but bear in mind that it has to be able to stand a temperature of up to 5000C, zany. Bear in mind also that almost anything burns when the temperature gets high enough - and 5000C is more than enough to burn concrete - or melt it - and to melt steel. This shroud must be pretty tough stuff.  Tell me when the Fire Brigade have worked out a way to stop Li-ion fires because from what I read they haven't yet. Have you seen the videos of little e-bike batteries overheating. They had a few on the BBC';s "Rip off Britain" a few weeks ago. The speed at which the fire started was incredible. A bloke put his bike in the utility room (not under charge) and it briefly started smoking and within seconds it exploded and the whole room was on fire. He had to run for his life from the house. If he'd even had one of these magic shrouds I'm not sure where he would have put it. Up his arse for all the good it would do. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 31, 2023 15:19:20 GMT
Jeez. I'm not sure what this "shroud" is made of but bear in mind that it has to be able to stand a temperature of up to 5000C, zany. Bear in mind also that almost anything burns when the temperature gets high enough - and 5000C is more than enough to burn concrete - or melt it - and to melt steel. This shroud must be pretty tough stuff. BTW the 5,000 degrees is Fahrenheit about 2,700 celcius (still hot) the temperature at the battery core with no cooling. I don't know what the shroud would be made of but it would not stand alone but probably be water cooled. Did you see the device I linked that's already being trialled that pierces the battery and fires water into its insides? Agree with you on cheap E bikes bloody deadly, remember those fake apple phone chargers they caused quite a few fires. But its down to build quality. Brilliant. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 31, 2023 17:36:17 GMT
Interesting video of EV's burning underwater - seems that they dont like salt water which could be a bit of a bummer for people living in coastal districts.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 31, 2023 18:39:03 GMT
Interesting video of EV's burning underwater - seems that they dont like salt water which could be a bit of a bummer for people living in coastal districts. Only if you submerge them. and damage the sealed battery. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 31, 2023 22:41:20 GMT
Interesting video of EV's burning underwater - seems that they dont like salt water which could be a bit of a bummer for people living in coastal districts. Only if you submerge them. and damage the sealed battery. that was the point of the video - they are not particularly well sealed. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 1, 2023 7:16:52 GMT
Only if you submerge them. and damage the sealed battery. that was the point of the video - they are not particularly well sealed. Sorry I didn't watch it. So the point is in order to get salt water into the battery they had to immerse the entire car in the sea. Oh no. Because normally if you immerse a car in the sea it just comes out clean and shiny. And I thank you for warning EV drivers that if they plunge into the sea they might burn to death. Sigh. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 1, 2023 8:00:49 GMT
that was the point of the video - they are not particularly well sealed. Sorry I didn't watch it. So the point is in order to get salt water into the battery they had to immerse the entire car in the sea. Oh no. Because normally if you immerse a car in the sea it just comes out clean and shiny. And I thank you for warning EV drivers that if they plunge into the sea they might burn to death. Sigh. So you didnt watch but you feel qualified to comment on the points raised in the film.. ..er yeah.. oK. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 1, 2023 8:09:49 GMT
Interesting video. It shows clearly that the batteries burn without oxygen and that water doesn't put the fire out. I'm just wondering about Range Rovers and the like which are built to drive through several feet of water.
I've never considered buying an electric or hybrid car because they're impractical, in the case of the BEV, and inefficient and polluting in the case of hybrids. And the single most polluting vehicle on the planet is a diesel hybrid. However as the facts have come to light about how dangerous these batteries are I think it's now a serious safety issue. The govt seems to be just ignoring the issue but the insurance companies can NOT afford to ignore it. I can see it coming to the point that the govt has to step in and provide insurance for these cars because no one else will.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 1, 2023 8:15:51 GMT
Sorry I didn't watch it. So the point is in order to get salt water into the battery they had to immerse the entire car in the sea. Oh no. Because normally if you immerse a car in the sea it just comes out clean and shiny. And I thank you for warning EV drivers that if they plunge into the sea they might burn to death. Sigh. So you didnt watch but you feel qualified to comment on the points raised in the film.. ..er yeah.. oK. Feel free to raise them and challenge me. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 1, 2023 8:17:54 GMT
Interesting video. It shows clearly that the batteries burn without oxygen and that water doesn't put the fire out. I'm just wondering about Range Rovers and the like which are built to drive through several feet of water. I've never considered buying an electric or hybrid car because they're impractical, in the case of the BEV, and inefficient and polluting in the case of hybrids. And the single most polluting vehicle on the planet is a diesel hybrid. However as the facts have come to light about how dangerous these batteries are I think it's now a serious safety issue. The govt seems to be just ignoring the issue but the insurance companies can NOT afford to ignore it. I can see it coming to the point that the govt has to step in and provide insurance for these cars because no one else will. Not that interesting. You and I had already recognised the fact that batteries burn without oxygen in a different chemical reaction. As for Range Rover. My bet is they've thought of that, what do you think? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 1, 2023 8:46:10 GMT
I no longer assume that people have thought about obvious problems. Take the diesel debacle for example. Everyone knew that diesel engines spewed out NOx which is toxic but the govt went ahead and encouraged people to buy them. We now have the toxic legacy in all our towns and cities. If it weren't for diesels the air would be clean in our cities.
As for electric vehicles the list of intractable problems is almost endless - and just grows longer all the time. Yet the govt just ignores the problems.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 1, 2023 8:57:13 GMT
I no longer assume that people have thought about obvious problems. Take the diesel debacle for example. Everyone knew that diesel engines spewed out NOx which is toxic but the govt went ahead and encouraged people to buy them. We now have the toxic legacy in all our towns and cities. If it weren't for diesels the air would be clean in our cities. As for electric vehicles the list of intractable problems is almost endless - and just grows longer all the time. Yet the govt just ignores the problems. Fair do's. but its a bit different when you are Range Rover trying to sell off road vehicles. It would be two minutes before the competition were spilling the beans about your cars. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 1, 2023 13:44:31 GMT
They all have the same problem. The batteries are fragile and are placed very low in the vehicle (to keep the C of G low) and therefore susceptible to damage. And when they're damaged they're dangerous do they have to be replaced. But replacement is so expensive that it usually means that the vehicle is an uneconomic repair. It's completely crazy that they're building these vehicles but if people buy them the manufacturers will keep making them. Th ebuyers are stupid - but many people ARE stupid.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2023 15:15:18 GMT
In these times of storms and local flooding, I wonder how good EVs are in deep puddles and fords ?
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