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Post by om15 on Oct 12, 2023 9:42:00 GMT
Well, well. A disgusted SNP MP has walked out and joined the hated English bastard Toaries, who would have thought it. It is the beginning of the end chaps.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 9:50:42 GMT
Well, well. A disgusted SNP MP has walked out and joined the hated English bastard Toaries, who would have thought it. It is the beginning of the end chaps. I'm not convinced that it's a good thing. They're too anti-English, which is bad for any union. Scotland needs at least a generation to undo the psychological damage the SNP have done to its population. Perhaps then we can try and play happy union again. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 12, 2023 10:08:45 GMT
It is the beginning of the end chaps. its the end of the beginning ommy. Things are just being taken to the next stage.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 12, 2023 10:10:51 GMT
To achieve that requires the dismantling of devolution.
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Post by thomas on Oct 12, 2023 10:15:24 GMT
To achieve that requires the dismantling of devolution. once starmer has the uk in the EU , it will be england getting dismantled and devolved vinny.............. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 10:18:55 GMT
To achieve that requires the dismantling of devolution. once starmer has the uk in the EU , it will be england getting dismantled and devolved vinny.............. Scottish Labour tried to dismantle England before, but it was halted. English devolution is welcomed by a lot of people. As for the EU, that's the only troll line you have, but at the end of the day it would appear that the UK works better with the EU and European nations on the outside. You are just a traitor. |
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Post by om15 on Oct 12, 2023 10:20:24 GMT
What does that mean? are there more SNP MPs planning to cross the floor to the Tories, as B-4 has mentioned, do we actually want them.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2023 18:57:15 GMT
To achieve that requires the dismantling of devolution. once starmer has the uk in the EU , it will be england getting dismantled and devolved vinny.............. Oh Tommy, you do love a laugh don'tcha?
Thing is though, Starmer's got to get in (a tall enough order in itself) and even if he did, he's gonna hug you lot like a limpet.
Because the EU don't like separatists and not only that, but Starmer's gonna need Jockish votes to have any hope of keeping Labour in power.
What with that and the SNP self-destructing, well Indy's a no go in pretty much any scenario.
I'm as sorry about that as you are, but there it is.
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Post by morayloon on Oct 13, 2023 6:16:21 GMT
To achieve that requires the dismantling of devolution. To be replaced with Independence. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 13, 2023 6:20:31 GMT
once starmer has the uk in the EU , it will be england getting dismantled and devolved vinny.............. Scottish Labour tried to dismantle England before, but it was halted. English devolution is welcomed by a lot of people. As for the EU, that's the only troll line you have, but at the end of the day it would appear that the UK works better with the EU and European nations on the outside. You are just a traitor. The british imperial labour party are exactly what it says on the tin , a british party that is based in london , and the majority of its politicians represent english constituencies. Labour in scotland arent a seperate political party , they are a branch of british labour. Im well aware the british labour party tried to dismantle england previously , which is my point to vinny about europhile starmer.
im the biggest supporter of english independence on this forum , but i also vehemently support english devolution. If you also support english devolution , then your enemies are the british politicians in london who wont give you it.
telling the truth about starmer isnt trolling b4. You cant keep squealing about trolling , or labellling everything as communist lefty conspiracy theories while putting your head in the sand everytime reality reaches that ivory tower of yours in la la land.
thats your opinion. My point is your fellow countryman sir keir starmer and his new labour party disagree with you.
Thank you for your kind words, but im not one of you. Never have been never will be.
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Post by thomas on Oct 13, 2023 6:22:45 GMT
What does that mean? are there more SNP MPs planning to cross the floor to the Tories, as B-4 has mentioned, do we actually want them. it means the snp as it currently stands will have to be dismantled root and branch before they are of any use to man or beast in scotland going forward.
why ask me? Do i sound as though i care one iota ommy?
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Post by morayloon on Oct 13, 2023 6:27:20 GMT
Whatever the reasons for her deciding to leave the party, Stuart Campbell says that she has not given up on her belief in Independence. "Contrary to a report in The National, Dr Cameron told Wings this morning that she had NOT “had a significant change of heart about independence”, but that like many other people – including this site – she would have grave misgivings about it being achieved under the current SNP leadership."wingsoverscotland.com/out-of-a-bright-blue-sky/#more-140037If she does still support Independence, moving to the ultra unionist Tories seems a very strange step. Another reason for leaving is that she was on the cusp of being de-selected by the constituency members |
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Post by thomas on Oct 13, 2023 6:32:21 GMT
once starmer has the uk in the EU , it will be england getting dismantled and devolved vinny.............. Oh Tommy, you do love a laugh don'tcha?
Thing is though, Starmer's got to get in (a tall enough order in itself) and even if he did, he's gonna hug you lot like a limpet.
Because the EU don't like separatists and not only that, but Starmer's gonna need Jockish votes to have any hope of keeping Labour in power.
What with that and the SNP self-destructing, well Indy's a no go in pretty much any scenario.
I'm as sorry about that as you are, but there it is.
like you squeezed middle , i utterly despise keir starmer and new labour. I honestly think a starmer government will be an utter disaster of the highest magnitude for all of us.
He does have to get in first. I certainly wont be helping that happen.
Truth now though , are you seriously teling me this close to a general election , the mess the tories , and the snp are in , the constant opinion polling showing a massive labour lead , as things stand you think its a tall order? I dont.
We are being hugged like a limpet at the minute , so whats new?
is this some vague hope the eu are going to do englands dirty work and keep scotland in the uk somehow? This isnt 2014 mate. The uk unlike then is the enemy to brussells.
this is a nonsense. There is only one time in the past 100 years that scottish votes have made a difference to a labour government in westminster. Starmer needs to win in england , where 82 % of the westmisnter seats are.
no , you are utterly correct. I can face reality , unlike some of your more excitbale countrymen regarding england going back into the EU. Scottish indy is going no where soon. Strugeon has done a right job on the party , and the others show no sign of making the breakthrough that is needed.
I will of course carry on relentlessly supporting scottish indy.
I would love to read the the reasons behind the sturgeon years and what she did to the snp in time to come. Very interesting stuff when the truth finally comes out for political geeks such as myself.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 13, 2023 8:16:44 GMT
To achieve that requires the dismantling of devolution. To be replaced with Independence. The UK which is a sovereign country already has independence. Hold a UK wide referendum and abolish devolution. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 13, 2023 9:06:50 GMT
To be replaced with Independence. The UK which is a sovereign country already has independence. Hold a UK wide referendum and abolish devolution. the united kingdom is a sovereign multi national state. that multi national state held a uk wide referendum , called brexit , in 2016 , but only three of the four constiuent nations left the EU.
So if one nation got its own way over brexit , why cant wales and scotland have devolution as the vast majority voted for?
You cant argue one nation one vote , then constantly dismiss that when it suits.
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