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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 13, 2023 9:01:40 GMT
Let's hope those hostages don't die of cholera before they get a chance to release them. Are you saying that it's ok for Palestinians to die of Cholera as long as the Israeli hostages do not? That is what your statement sounds like. No, I'm saying it's immoral to deny water to Gaza and it's likely to cause an outbreak of disease. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 9:19:54 GMT
Are you saying that it's ok for Palestinians to die of Cholera as long as the Israeli hostages do not? That is what your statement sounds like. No, I'm saying it's immoral to deny water to Gaza and it's likely to cause an outbreak of disease. My mistake then. |
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Post by om15 on Oct 13, 2023 10:07:38 GMT
During WWII the Germans used area bombing of British cities to progress their war aims of invading Britain and subjecting the citizens to occupation. The Royal Air Force built a massive force to carry out bombing of German cities, they were much more successful than the Germans in that Britain eventually, with much help, defeated the Germans. The area bombing devastated cities, indiscriminately killing babies, old people, nuns, lollipop ladies and household pets, but it worked.
Having worked in Israel, (Dov Airport in Tel Aviv) on numerous occasions, I understand the attitude of the Israelis, Hamas have stated their aim is to eliminate Israel and events this week show they mean business, Israel has stated they are going to eliminate Hamas.
The Israelis will now invade Gaza, kill Hamas terrorists and secure their border, this will mean much loss of civilian life in the same way that German civilians were killed by the RAF, this of course is known by Hamas and will feature heavily in their propaganda that will be trumpeted around by progressive lefties in the coming weeks.
The Palestinian deaths would have been avoided if Hamas had not carried out genocidal actions against the Israelis, but they started it and he Israelis will finish it in the same way we did in 1945.
An outbreak of disease is going to be the least of their worries in coming weeks.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 13, 2023 10:44:45 GMT
Are you saying that it's ok for Palestinians to die of Cholera as long as the Israeli hostages do not? That is what your statement sounds like. No, I'm saying it's immoral to deny water to Gaza and it's likely to cause an outbreak of disease. Have you told the Palestinians that? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 16:02:23 GMT
If the BBC call Hamas terrorists they are effectively taking sides. VERY GOOD POINT And MANY people in both this country and around the world readily call the actions of Israel "Terrorist Actions", for the way they treat residents of Gaza and The West Bank, for the way in which they wall and fence them all in, take Palestinian land, keep the populations short of many basic goods and medicines, enforce everyone to carry permits, regularly shoot at kids across the boundry fences .... etc ... the list goes on. Hamas is a deeply evil organisation, and what Hamas did last Saturday is unforgivable, but the ordinary civilians of Palestinian territories are treated like prisoners or criminals, and Isreal makes sure most are kept in poverty. We live in a world where there are Jews and Muslims scattered across the world, we in the UK have both communities within our population, and as much as anything, the media have a responsibility to at least try not to inflame tensions. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 13, 2023 16:14:46 GMT
If the BBC call Hamas terrorists they are effectively taking sides. Strange they don't have that same stance regarding UK political bias, they are forever promoting the lefties 'taking sides', while discrediting the right, but then again it's back to the old double standard rank hypocrisy. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 16:44:55 GMT
If the BBC call Hamas terrorists they are effectively taking sides. Strange they don't have that same stance regarding UK political bias, they are forever promoting the lefties 'taking sides', while discrediting the right, but then again it's back to the old double standard rank hypocrisy. I would say they are just reporting the news as they are told, if there is bias it must come from the facts. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 13, 2023 17:26:39 GMT
Can someone explain why the deliberate massacre of 1200 innocent men, women and children is not a terrorist attack?
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 13, 2023 18:02:53 GMT
Can someone explain why the deliberate massacre of 1200 innocent men, women and children is not a terrorist attack? Which one? The Hamas one or the IDF one? Happy to call them both acts of terrorism. |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 13, 2023 18:10:14 GMT
Can someone explain why the deliberate massacre of 1200 innocent men, women and children is not a terrorist attack? No one is saying that. However, you seem very unwilling to accept that the Israeli state's reaction is also terrorism. They have murdered around 2000 people. Now they are telling people in the north to move south, giving them 24 hours to do it. The only thing is that they are being shot at, and bombed, when trying to move south! |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 13, 2023 18:16:41 GMT
Can someone explain why the deliberate massacre of 1200 innocent men, women and children is not a terrorist attack? No one is saying that. However, you seem very unwilling to accept that the Israeli state's reaction is also terrorism. They have murdered around 2000 people. Now they are telling people in the north to move south, giving them 24 hours to do it. The only thing is that they are being shot at, and bombed, when trying to move south! WTF do you want them to do, be sitting ducks? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 13, 2023 18:38:07 GMT
Can someone explain why the deliberate massacre of 1200 innocent men, women and children is not a terrorist attack? Which one? The Hamas one or the IDF one? Happy to call them both acts of terrorism. Why do you continue to draw a false equivalence between the atrocities committed by a proscribed terrorist organisation and the reasonable self-defence against the same by a recognised democratic state?
Why can you not see the difference? Or is it that you simply refuse to do so?
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Post by morayloon on Oct 13, 2023 18:40:44 GMT
No one is saying that. However, you seem very unwilling to accept that the Israeli state's reaction is also terrorism. They have murdered around 2000 people. Now they are telling people in the north to move south, giving them 24 hours to do it. The only thing is that they are being shot at, and bombed, when trying to move south! WTF do you want them to do, be sitting ducks? The sitting ducks, as you put it, are the innocent Palestinian people. |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 13, 2023 18:46:39 GMT
Which one? The Hamas one or the IDF one? Happy to call them both acts of terrorism. Why do you continue to draw a false equivalence between the atrocities committed by a proscribed terrorist organisation and the reasonable self-defence against the same by a recognised democratic state?
Why can you not see the difference? Or is it that you simply refuse to do so?
"Reasonable self-defence"? I think the Israelis made their point and exacted enough revenge in the first couple of days after the Hamas incursion. There is nothing "reasonable" about their continued OTT reaction. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 13, 2023 18:49:51 GMT
If the BBC call Hamas terrorists they are effectively taking sides. VERY GOOD POINT And MANY people in both this country and around the world readily call the actions of Israel "Terrorist Actions", for the way they treat residents of Gaza and The West Bank, for the way in which they wall and fence them all in, take Palestinian land, keep the populations short of many basic goods and medicines, enforce everyone to carry permits, regularly shoot at kids across the boundry fences .... etc ... the list goes on. Hamas is a deeply evil organisation, and what Hamas did last Saturday is unforgivable, but the ordinary civilians of Palestinian territories are treated like prisoners or criminals, and Isreal makes sure most are kept in poverty. We live in a world where there are Jews and Muslims scattered across the world, we in the UK have both communities within our population, and as much as anything, the media have a responsibility to at least try not to inflame tensions. The BBC frequently take sides in their reporting. Israel may be a kind of colonial country with poor consideration for some citizens but that is not terrorism. Do the Israelis fence them in or are the camps existent because the Arab lands around will not accept them as refugees. We recognise Israel as a sovereign state and I believe we would long to recognise a Palestinian state but it does not exist and we send them oodles of cash and have done for years. We do not call China a terrorist state, we do not call Saudi a terrorist state and there are many other states around the world that treat groups of citizens no better than Israel does. However Israel always seems to be the nadir of evil for some, especially the left, and that tells a tale. |
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