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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 12:10:46 GMT
Iran is indeed playing politics furthering its strategic interests through the suffering of civilians too. To pretend that israel (supported by the west) is an innocent party in this conflict and is not responsible for its actions killing innocent Palestinian civilians and children and fermenting hatred is simply naive. For absence of doubt that in no way justifies the appalling behaviour of Hamas in recent days. Hamas and Iran have just doomed everybody in Gaza... nobody else. Iran's supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said he "kissed the hand" of those who planned the attacks. Think about that when you are indulging in whataboutery. The leader of a country applauding the tying together of children and then setting fire to them, and the sawing off of babies heads and limbs, and rape of women. We all know why some elements of the left support Palestine, it is because they want to indulge in anti-West, anti-capitalism, anti-Jewish sentiment... because I don't see them so obsessed with other conflicts. The people in Palestine were already doomed, as you put it. We all know there have been atrocities committed on both sides. The left are not anti west, anti capitalist or anti Jewish, that's a lie spread by those that hate the left. Israel is a nuclear power 'planted' by the west into a country that was occupied by people that are diverse from western culture. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 12, 2023 12:41:19 GMT
No mention of Iran preventing peace... how predictable. Israel and Western governments don't want to kill civilians, which is more can be said for Hamas and Iran. THEY WANT innocent Palestinians to die to further their cause, that why they sawed off babies heads and limbs... they knew what what the response would be!! Everybody wants peace expect for the religious nutters than are in charge of Iran. They want all Jews dead so that they can dominate the Middle East. They encourage and fund terrorism, and they need to be dealt with. Where do you think Israel gets the weapons to kill children from them. Who is forcing them to occupy and evict Palestinians, if the don't want to do it. This idea that it is self defence is like saying that Captain Cook was defending England when he planted the union flag in Australia. Where is the evidence they 'sawed off' heads and limbs from babies? You do understand what decapitation means right? It's not an episode of Game of Thrones where people are dispatched with the swing of an axe. You are held down, a knife is placed to your throat, and your head is literally sawn off with it. Proof? It's all over social media. Hamas literally posted videos of themselves doing it, that is why Jewish schools told parents to take their phones off their kids!! Guess you haven't got any Jewish friends... if by some miracle you do I'm sure they will show you what happened on their phones. If you want "official" confirmation, will a Coroner do? Or don't you trust Jewish Coroners? Your Captain Cook example is just stupid. You do know that the Jewish people originated in the Middle East right, and that they were deported? Did you miss the part where everybody sat back and allowed six million of them to be exterminated? You do understand that new countries are formed all the time and that people can become displaced? Can you tell us what other countries you think should not be allowed and returned to their original state? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2023 12:45:16 GMT
You can see why the Labour Party struggles with allegations of anti-Semitism.
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 12, 2023 12:54:45 GMT
Hamas and Iran have just doomed everybody in Gaza... nobody else. Iran's supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said he "kissed the hand" of those who planned the attacks. Think about that when you are indulging in whataboutery. The leader of a country applauding the tying together of children and then setting fire to them, and the sawing off of babies heads and limbs, and rape of women. We all know why some elements of the left support Palestine, it is because they want to indulge in anti-West, anti-capitalism, anti-Jewish sentiment... because I don't see them so obsessed with other conflicts. The people in Palestine were already doomed, as you put it. We all know there have been atrocities committed on both sides. The left are not anti west, anti capitalist or anti Jewish, that's a lie spread by those that hate the left. Israel is a nuclear power 'planted' by the west into a country that was occupied by people that are diverse from western culture. I never said "the left", I said "some elements of the left". What it be a lie to say communists are anti-West, anti-capitalist... are they not on the left lol. Do you actually understand politics? Labour is made up of Social Democrats (pro-capitalism) and Democratic Socialists (anti-capitalism). Hence all the anti-West, anti-Capitalist, anti-Jewish stuff always comes from the Democratic Socialists... because it's all designed to tear down the current system. Israel is the perfect scenerio for them, because it fits all three. Are you going to pretend Communists / Democratic Socialist's don't associate Jews with captalism? lol. If I'm wrong them please provide examples of a Social Democrat being anti-American, or anti-Jewish? The Jewish people are from the Middle East you idiot, they were deported from it lol. That is the whole point, they were put back where they belonged because after six million were exterminated, they didn't feel safe in Europe anymore. |
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Post by om15 on Oct 12, 2023 16:21:23 GMT
The BBC unctuously claim that to describe the murderous savages attacking Israeli civilians as "terrorists" would affect their impartiality, it would have been very nice if they could have demonstrated their impartiality when reporting Brexit issues, Partygate, Russell Brand and countless other topics that they have blatantly distorted, omitted and lied about.
I am really fed up about the situation with the BBC, they do exactly as they please because they know full well that anyone who fails to fund them will be sent to prison, they are symptomatic of the malaise that the Conservative Party have actively encouraged in this Country.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 16:54:03 GMT
Where do you think Israel gets the weapons to kill children from them. Who is forcing them to occupy and evict Palestinians, if the don't want to do it. This idea that it is self defence is like saying that Captain Cook was defending England when he planted the union flag in Australia. Where is the evidence they 'sawed off' heads and limbs from babies? You do understand what decapitation means right? It's not an episode of Game of Thrones where people are dispatched with the swing of an axe. You are held down, a knife is placed to your throat, and your head is literally sawn off with it. Proof? It's all over social media. Hamas literally posted videos of themselves doing it, that is why Jewish schools told parents to take their phones off their kids!! Guess you haven't got any Jewish friends... if by some miracle you do I'm sure they will show you what happened on their phones. If you want "official" confirmation, will a Coroner do? Or don't you trust Jewish Coroners? Your Captain Cook example is just stupid. You do know that the Jewish people originated in the Middle East right, and that they were deported? Did you miss the part where everybody sat back and allowed six million of them to be exterminated? You do understand that new countries are formed all the time and that people can become displaced? Can you tell us what other countries you think should not be allowed and returned to their original state? Apparently, the IDF will not confirm the beheading of children by Hamas and the Israeli government will not investigate the claims, by one Israeli reporter, because 'everyone' knows how brutal Hamas are. We have a situation where unsubstantiated accusations are spread across the front pages of our newspaper which have been reported as 'fact'. The Jewish people were spread out across the middle east, they are a religion not a country, until Israel was formed. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 17:02:53 GMT
The people in Palestine were already doomed, as you put it. We all know there have been atrocities committed on both sides. The left are not anti west, anti capitalist or anti Jewish, that's a lie spread by those that hate the left. Israel is a nuclear power 'planted' by the west into a country that was occupied by people that are diverse from western culture. I never said "the left", I said "some elements of the left". What it be a lie to say communists are anti-West, anti-capitalist... are they not on the left lol. Do you actually understand politics? Labour is made up of Social Democrats (pro-capitalism) and Democratic Socialists (anti-capitalism). Hence all the anti-West, anti-Capitalist, anti-Jewish stuff always comes from the Democratic Socialists... because it's all designed to tear down the current system. Israel is the perfect scenerio for them, because it fits all three. Are you going to pretend Communists / Democratic Socialist's don't associate Jews with captalism? lol. If I'm wrong them please provide examples of a Social Democrat being anti-American, or anti-Jewish? The Jewish people are from the Middle East you idiot, they were deported from it lol. That is the whole point, they were put back where they belonged because after six million were exterminated, they didn't feel safe in Europe anymore. A lot of element of the left and some on the right support Palestinian freedom from oppression by the Israeli colonisation of their land. "What it be a lie to say communists are anti-West, anti-capitalist... are they not on the left lol" yes, you are directly associating the 'left' with communism, communism is no the same as socialism but you are attempting making the link. The left have no problem with capitalism, communists do, but the left support the 'social' ideals. The Jewish people never had a 'homeland' they are a religion. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 17:04:41 GMT
The BBC unctuously claim that to describe the murderous savages attacking Israeli civilians as "terrorists" would affect their impartiality, it would have been very nice if they could have demonstrated their impartiality when reporting Brexit issues, Partygate, Russell Brand and countless other topics that they have blatantly distorted, omitted and lied about. I am really fed up about the situation with the BBC, they do exactly as they please because they know full well that anyone who fails to fund them will be sent to prison, they are symptomatic of the malaise that the Conservative Party have actively encouraged in this Country. You get what you wish for and then moan about it, there is no pleasing some people. The BBC are claiming back their impartiality. |
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Post by om15 on Oct 12, 2023 17:41:25 GMT
You seem to have difficulty in comprehension. I made a clear observation which you interpret as something completely different. Permit me to test your post, does anyone one else fail to understand my post, or is Red Rum alone in his confusion?
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Post by Tinculin on Oct 12, 2023 20:29:20 GMT
If the BBC call Hamas terrorists they are effectively taking sides. Taking a stance against terrorism should be something the BBC does. I don't pay my license fee so the BBC can sit on the fence while a terrorist organisation shoots the elderly, children and walks into festials and guns down innocent civilians. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 12, 2023 20:43:23 GMT
If the BBC call Hamas terrorists they are effectively taking sides. Taking a stance against terrorism should be something the BBC does. I don't pay my license fee so the BBC can sit on the fence while a terrorist organisation shoots the elderly, children and walks into festials and guns down innocent civilians. Well don’t pay it then. The bbc has is faults but is being studied in its impartiality here to both sides,after all you are paying your licence fee and it’s not slagging Israel off for cutting power water and supplies whilst killing civilians in Gaza unless of course you believe every member of the population in Gaza is a terrorist. |
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Post by Tinculin on Oct 12, 2023 22:11:58 GMT
I shouldn't need to spell out the difference between a terrorist group purposefully targeting civilians of Israel while hiding it's military assets beneath Hospitals in Gaza.....
Israel is at war, it has given warning and told civilians in Gaza to leave the areas it intends to attack.
Do you know who is stopping those civilians from leaving? That's right, yet again, Hamas, because it doesn't care for the average civilian in Palestine, it cares for its extremist views and hoping the bodies it uses as meatshields will keep them safe......
Israel is justified in removing Hamas completely from Gaza, obviously there is a lot of pressure for Israel to do things right, rather than sink to Hamas' level, but there is an acceptance that Hamas' military assets will be destroyed
This is why terrorist organizations are labelled such, because they use human shields and target civilians indiscriminately.
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Post by wapentake on Oct 12, 2023 22:39:11 GMT
I shouldn't need to spell out the difference between a terrorist group purposefully targeting civilians of Israel while hiding it's military assets beneath Hospitals in Gaza..... Israel is at war, it has given warning and told civilians in Gaza to leave the areas it intends to attack. Do you know who is stopping those civilians from leaving? That's right, yet again, Hamas, because it doesn't care for the average civilian in Palestine, it cares for its extremist views and hoping the bodies it uses as meatshields will keep them safe...... Israel is justified in removing Hamas completely from Gaza, obviously there is a lot of pressure for Israel to do things right, rather than sink to Hamas' level, but there is an acceptance that Hamas' military assets will be destroyed This is why terrorist organizations are labelled such, because they use human shields and target civilians indiscriminately. Do they need to cut the water and medical supplies to achieve that? |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 12, 2023 23:02:53 GMT
I shouldn't need to spell out the difference between a terrorist group purposefully targeting civilians of Israel while hiding it's military assets beneath Hospitals in Gaza..... Israel is at war, it has given warning and told civilians in Gaza to leave the areas it intends to attack. Do you know who is stopping those civilians from leaving? That's right, yet again, Hamas, because it doesn't care for the average civilian in Palestine, it cares for its extremist views and hoping the bodies it uses as meatshields will keep them safe...... Israel is justified in removing Hamas completely from Gaza, obviously there is a lot of pressure for Israel to do things right, rather than sink to Hamas' level, but there is an acceptance that Hamas' military assets will be destroyed This is why terrorist organizations are labelled such, because they use human shields and target civilians indiscriminately. 1. The Israelis are 'purposefully targeting civilians" of Gaza. How do you know where Hamas is hiding its 'military assets"? 2. Yes but the Israelis are not letting anyone leave. 3. If the Israelis wanted civilians to leave, they would have let them. Instead innocents are trapped. 4. I can see public opinion shifting if Israel carries on the way it is. So, in order to destroy the "military assets" innocent people are murdered 5. What are the Israelis doing if not targeting "civilians indiscriminately" As an aside, I wonder how long Al Jazeera will be allowed to broadcast when the Israelis enter Gaza |
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Post by Tinculin on Oct 13, 2023 0:08:41 GMT
I shouldn't need to spell out the difference between a terrorist group purposefully targeting civilians of Israel while hiding it's military assets beneath Hospitals in Gaza..... Israel is at war, it has given warning and told civilians in Gaza to leave the areas it intends to attack. Do you know who is stopping those civilians from leaving? That's right, yet again, Hamas, because it doesn't care for the average civilian in Palestine, it cares for its extremist views and hoping the bodies it uses as meatshields will keep them safe...... Israel is justified in removing Hamas completely from Gaza, obviously there is a lot of pressure for Israel to do things right, rather than sink to Hamas' level, but there is an acceptance that Hamas' military assets will be destroyed This is why terrorist organizations are labelled such, because they use human shields and target civilians indiscriminately. 1. The Israelis are 'purposefully targeting civilians" of Gaza. How do you know where Hamas is hiding its 'military assets"? 2. Yes but the Israelis are not letting anyone leave. 3. If the Israelis wanted civilians to leave, they would have let them. Instead innocents are trapped. 4. I can see public opinion shifting if Israel carries on the way it is. So, in order to destroy the "military assets" innocent people are murdered 5. What are the Israelis doing if not targeting "civilians indiscriminately" As an aside, I wonder how long Al Jazeera will be allowed to broadcast when the Israelis enter Gaza It's been common knowledge and reported for over a decade that Hamas uses hospitals and civilian buildings to build their barracks/bunkers beneath. Feel free to google, there are dozens of sources. I agree public opinion is going to hurt for Israel in the coming weeks. But I don't think that's going to stop Israel rooting out Hamas. After seeing the scenes of what Hamas have done to Israeli citizens, I don't think Israel are going to be easily pacified. Hamas are a terorist organization and devoted to killing Jews, and wiping Israel off the map. For Israel, this is an 'us' or 'them' situation, and it is a situation Hamas started. |
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