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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 11:09:10 GMT
Yet they are not shy about talking about terrorists in other regions - it's only Israel where they refuse to recognise terrorism.. Funningly enough I was researching this yesterday, but it got cut short (life). It is a socialist institution so has to appease the left and the Hamas wing of Labour, whilst attacking anything that could potentially pull the plug. All it would take is the introduction of a subscription service and it would collapse without serious reform. It's long overdue, and if Rishi has sense he would bring it to the debate. Boris bailed on the idea, which was disappointing. Hamas wing of Labour, what are you talking about? |
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Post by dappy on Oct 12, 2023 11:09:11 GMT
In my view the actions of Hamas a week or so killing entirely innocent civilians are incomprehensible and contemptible.
It is also my view that the actions of the Israeli government over it has to be said many years and happening right now today killing entirely innocent civilians are also contemptible.
The cycle of violence continues, tolerated and “licensed” by Western governments lead by US and yet more innocent people will suffer as a result. We are a horrible species.
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 12, 2023 11:19:01 GMT
If the BBC call Hamas terrorists they are effectively taking sides. They are literally defined in UK Law as a Terrorist Organisation, and it is an offense to support them. Personally, I think the head of BBC News should be arrested for failing to call them such... this is not an independent news organisation, it is our state broadcaster ffs. These animals sawed off babies heads and limbs with knives... is that "freedom fighting"? Let's be clear, Hamas (and their Iranian paymasters) have doomed the innocent Palestinian citizens, they are responsible for Israel's response. Furthermore, Iran needs to be tackled, because their will never be peace in the Middle East while they are whipping up hatred and funding terrorism. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 11:19:26 GMT
Hamas have murdered children, raped and murdered women, beheaded men, burned people alive and paraded the naked bodies of their victims through the streets. Those are not acts of self-defence, they are acts of savagery worthy of the nazis. And any attempt to play down or dress up those acts as anything else, by any person or agency, is beneath contempt. As is anyone "Celebrating" those acts or anyone attempting to conflate Israels legitimate self-defence with those atrocities. Who is playing down the atrocities that Hamas may or may not have inflicted on the people of Israel? No one. You are using your faux anger to cover for your apparent support of the treatment of Palestinians by Israeli forces for decades. It's all well and good condemning Hamas for what they have done and I do but their are two sides to any conflict. "Israel killed more than 300 Palestinians in 2021 - at least a fifth of who were children - marking the deadliest year on record since 2014, according to an Israeli rights group". This is OK with you then? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 11:21:26 GMT
If the BBC call Hamas terrorists they are effectively taking sides. They are literally defined in UK Law as a Terrorist Organisation, and it is an offense to support them. Personally, I think the head of BBC News should be arrested for failing to call them such... this is not an independent news organisation, it is our state broadcaster ffs. These animals sawed off babies heads and limbs with knives... is that "freedom fighting"? Let's be clear, Hamas (and their Iranian paymasters) have doomed the innocent Palestinian citizens, they are responsible for Israel's response. Furthermore, Iran needs to be tackled, because their will never be peace in the Middle East while they are whipping up hatred and funding terrorism. The BBC are not supporting Hamas. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2023 11:26:27 GMT
Hamas have murdered children, raped and murdered women, beheaded men, burned people alive and paraded the naked bodies of their victims through the streets. Those are not acts of self-defence, they are acts of savagery worthy of the nazis. And any attempt to play down or dress up those acts as anything else, by any person or agency, is beneath contempt. As is anyone "Celebrating" those acts or anyone attempting to conflate Israels legitimate self-defence with those atrocities. Who is playing down the atrocities that Hamas may or may not have inflicted on the people of Israel? No one. You are using your faux anger to cover for your apparent support of the treatment of Palestinians by Israeli forces for decades. It's all well and good condemning Hamas for what they have done and I do but their are two sides to any conflict. "Israel killed more than 300 Palestinians in 2021 - at least a fifth of who were children - marking the deadliest year on record since 2014, according to an Israeli rights group". This is OK with you then? QED. 🙄 |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2023 11:28:06 GMT
If the BBC call Hamas terrorists they are effectively taking sides. They are literally defined in UK Law as a Terrorist Organisation, and it is an offense to support them. Personally, I think the head of BBC News should be arrested for failing to call them such... this is not an independent news organisation, it is our state broadcaster ffs. These animals sawed off babies heads and limbs with knives... is that "freedom fighting"? Let's be clear, Hamas (and their Iranian paymasters) have doomed the innocent Palestinian citizens, they are responsible for Israel's response. Furthermore, Iran needs to be tackled, because their will never be peace in the Middle East while they are whipping up hatred and funding terrorism. Indeed. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 12, 2023 11:30:02 GMT
In my view the actions of Hamas a week or so killing entirely innocent civilians are incomprehensible and contemptible. It is also my view that the actions of the Israeli government over it has to be said many years and happening right now today killing entirely innocent civilians are also contemptible. The cycle of violence continues, tolerated and “licensed” by Western governments lead by US and yet more innocent people will suffer as a result. We are a horrible species. No mention of Iran preventing peace... how predictable. Israel and Western governments don't want to kill civilians, which is more can be said for Hamas and Iran. THEY WANT innocent Palestinians to die to further their cause, that why they sawed off babies heads and limbs... they knew what what the response would be!! Everybody wants peace expect for the religious nutters than are in charge of Iran. They want all Jews dead so that they can dominate the Middle East. They encourage and fund terrorism, and they need to be dealt with. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2023 11:43:38 GMT
And the left just can't quite bring themselves to admit it. As these threads have amply demonstrated.
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Post by dappy on Oct 12, 2023 11:50:50 GMT
In my view the actions of Hamas a week or so killing entirely innocent civilians are incomprehensible and contemptible. It is also my view that the actions of the Israeli government over it has to be said many years and happening right now today killing entirely innocent civilians are also contemptible. The cycle of violence continues, tolerated and “licensed” by Western governments lead by US and yet more innocent people will suffer as a result. We are a horrible species. No mention of Iran preventing peace... how predictable. Israel and Western governments don't want to kill civilians, which is more can be said for Hamas and Iran. THEY WANT innocent Palestinians to die to further their cause, that why they sawed off babies heads and limbs... they knew what what the response would be!! Everybody wants peace expect for the religious nutters than are in charge of Iran. They want all Jews dead so that they can dominate the Middle East. They encourage and fund terrorism, and they need to be dealt with. Iran is indeed playing politics furthering its strategic interests through the suffering of civilians too. To pretend that israel (supported by the west) is an innocent party in this conflict and is not responsible for its actions killing innocent Palestinian civilians and children and fermenting hatred is simply naive. For absence of doubt that in no way justifies the appalling behaviour of Hamas in recent days. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 11:57:30 GMT
Who is playing down the atrocities that Hamas may or may not have inflicted on the people of Israel? No one. You are using your faux anger to cover for your apparent support of the treatment of Palestinians by Israeli forces for decades. It's all well and good condemning Hamas for what they have done and I do but their are two sides to any conflict. "Israel killed more than 300 Palestinians in 2021 - at least a fifth of who were children - marking the deadliest year on record since 2014, according to an Israeli rights group". This is OK with you then? QED. 🙄 That really is an old worn out excuse for supporting a terrorist state. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2023 11:59:35 GMT
That really is an old worn out excuse for supporting a terrorist state. Well stop doing it then. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 12, 2023 12:02:51 GMT
No mention of Iran preventing peace... how predictable. Israel and Western governments don't want to kill civilians, which is more can be said for Hamas and Iran. THEY WANT innocent Palestinians to die to further their cause, that why they sawed off babies heads and limbs... they knew what what the response would be!! Everybody wants peace expect for the religious nutters than are in charge of Iran. They want all Jews dead so that they can dominate the Middle East. They encourage and fund terrorism, and they need to be dealt with. Iran is indeed playing politics furthering its strategic interests through the suffering of civilians too. To pretend that israel (supported by the west) is an innocent party in this conflict and is not responsible for its actions killing innocent Palestinian civilians and children and fermenting hatred is simply naive. For absence of doubt that in no way justifies the appalling behaviour of Hamas in recent days. Hamas and Iran have just doomed everybody in Gaza... nobody else. Iran's supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said he "kissed the hand" of those who planned the attacks. Think about that when you are indulging in whataboutery. The leader of a country applauding the tying together of children and then setting fire to them, and the sawing off of babies heads and limbs, and rape of women. We all know why some elements of the left support Palestine, it is because they want to indulge in anti-West, anti-capitalism, anti-Jewish sentiment... because I don't see them so obsessed with other conflicts. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 12:04:36 GMT
In my view the actions of Hamas a week or so killing entirely innocent civilians are incomprehensible and contemptible. It is also my view that the actions of the Israeli government over it has to be said many years and happening right now today killing entirely innocent civilians are also contemptible. The cycle of violence continues, tolerated and “licensed” by Western governments lead by US and yet more innocent people will suffer as a result. We are a horrible species. No mention of Iran preventing peace... how predictable. Israel and Western governments don't want to kill civilians, which is more can be said for Hamas and Iran. THEY WANT innocent Palestinians to die to further their cause, that why they sawed off babies heads and limbs... they knew what what the response would be!! Everybody wants peace expect for the religious nutters than are in charge of Iran. They want all Jews dead so that they can dominate the Middle East. They encourage and fund terrorism, and they need to be dealt with. Where do you think Israel gets the weapons to kill children from them. Who is forcing them to occupy and evict Palestinians, if the don't want to do it. This idea that it is self defence is like saying that Captain Cook was defending England when he planted the union flag in Australia. Where is the evidence they 'sawed off' heads and limbs from babies? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 12:05:17 GMT
That really is an old worn out excuse for supporting a terrorist state. Well stop doing it then. Your hat suits you. |
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