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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 13, 2023 8:46:21 GMT
LOL..... don't worry it will be if Labour get in. Oh no! Not a place where Muslims can worship their god. Can you think of anything worse. I don't have a problem with that, as long as they respect and remember they aren't the only religion and place of worship in the UK. The UK is the most tolerant of all religions, try building a Mosques in Vatican city, Slovakia, Bratislava, Andorra, Estonia .... the list goes on, yes the UK is the best place to live. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 13, 2023 9:25:30 GMT
Oh no! Not a place where Muslims can worship their god. Can you think of anything worse. I don't have a problem with that, as long as they respect and remember they aren't the only religion and place of worship in the UK. The UK is the most tolerant of all religions, try building a Mosques in Vatican city, Slovakia, Bratislava, Andorra, Estonia .... the list goes on, yes the UK is the best place to live. Can’t say I have followed this thread so don’t know how a thread about housing ended up in seemingly well trodden ground about Islam. I do have to say though that if I were looking to evidence a view that UK is one of Europes most regionally tolerant countries, I think I would reach for some statistic showing us to be better than France or Germany or Spain or Italy. I don’t think I would trumpet our apparent superiority over Slovakia (twice) Andorra and Vatican. May I ask why you chose those countries? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 13, 2023 9:27:56 GMT
I don't have a problem with that, as long as they respect and remember they aren't the only religion and place of worship in the UK. The UK is the most tolerant of all religions, try building a Mosques in Vatican city, Slovakia, Bratislava, Andorra, Estonia .... the list goes on, yes the UK is the best place to live. Can’t say I have followed this thread so don’t know how a thread about housing ended up in seemingly well trodden ground about Islam. I do have to say though that if I were looking to evidence a view that UK is one of Europes most regionally tolerant countries, I think I would reach for some statistic showing us to be better than France or Germany or Spain or Italy. I don’t think I would trumpet our apparent superiority over Slovakia (twice) Andorra and Vatican. May I ask why you chose those countries? I was responding to zany, but realizing we have gone off topic, and we are in mind zone, we're best discussing this elsewhere on the forum. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 13, 2023 9:35:53 GMT
Let’s not bother. It’s a well worn topic. Just a really odd choice of competitors.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 13, 2023 9:42:59 GMT
Oh no! Not a place where Muslims can worship their god. Can you think of anything worse. I don't have a problem with that, as long as they respect and remember they aren't the only religion and place of worship in the UK. The UK is the most tolerant of all religions, try building a Mosques in Vatican city, Slovakia, Bratislava, Andorra, Estonia .... the list goes on, yes the UK is the best place to live. Aren't you really glad we're not Estonia or Vatican city. And obviously religious zealots of any flavour are not welcome. In fact zealots generally. There maybe a few Muslims in this country who think other religions should be destroyed, but I see no real sign of the intifada. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 13, 2023 13:51:41 GMT
Isn't an important component of your broader position the supposed right of anyone to live anywhere they want and that we should subsidise such a right? I think Pac is trying to hint that you are starting from a premise that can't function in reality. No that is not a component of my broader position. That's something made up be someone else. I think that is a stupid idea. I think we should build houses where there's work. I think we should build enough houses. Which brings is back to the question how many is enough. With our population increase we will have to build houses all over the shop to meet the future demand and it will never be enough. Your original scenario was build enough to bring prices down but then you have to control demand in some size shape or form. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 13, 2023 15:14:04 GMT
No that is not a component of my broader position. That's something made up be someone else. I think that is a stupid idea. I think we should build houses where there's work. I think we should build enough houses. Which brings is back to the question how many is enough. With our population increase we will have to build houses all over the shop to meet the future demand and it will never be enough. Your original scenario was build enough to bring prices down but then you have to control demand in some size shape or form. Enough is as many as we need for everyone invited to live here to afford a decent home. If you stop further immigration we will need some. If you don't you will need more. If you have a cull you will less. Its a thought. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 13, 2023 18:25:02 GMT
Which brings is back to the question how many is enough. With our population increase we will have to build houses all over the shop to meet the future demand and it will never be enough. Your original scenario was build enough to bring prices down but then you have to control demand in some size shape or form. Enough is as many as we need for everyone invited to live here to afford a decent home. If you stop further immigration we will need some. If you don't you will need more. If you have a cull you will less. Its a thought. I have a better idea, why not deport those not entitled to live here either through illegal entry, illegal overstaying or fraudulent applications for citizenship. That should free up a few million in a fairly short space of time. Desperate times require desperate measures. Any objections to that? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 13, 2023 19:25:11 GMT
Enough is as many as we need for everyone invited to live here to afford a decent home. If you stop further immigration we will need some. If you don't you will need more. If you have a cull you will less. Its a thought. I have a better idea, why not deport those not entitled to live here either through illegal entry, illegal overstaying or fraudulent applications for citizenship. That should free up a few million in a fairly short space of time. Desperate times require desperate measures. Any objections to that? Works for me. Why haven't the government done it. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 13, 2023 19:30:55 GMT
I have a better idea, why not deport those not entitled to live here either through illegal entry, illegal overstaying or fraudulent applications for citizenship. That should free up a few million in a fairly short space of time. Desperate times require desperate measures. Any objections to that? Works for me. Why haven't the government done it. Because too many people cry foul for a too many reasons. If a man worms his way into your house unseen and uninvited then when he is found, no matter how much time later he gets his marching orders, same goes if he overstayed a welcome. A country is basically a very big family house that those entitled to be here normally get to say who else comes in. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 13, 2023 19:53:16 GMT
Works for me. Why haven't the government done it. Because too many people cry foul for a too many reasons. If a man worms his way into your house unseen and uninvited then when he is found, no matter how much time later he gets his marching orders, same goes if he overstayed a welcome. A country is basically a very big family house that those entitled to be here normally get to say who else comes in. Its a poor metaphor. But anyway, you say too many people don't want it? So its democracy getting in the way? |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 13, 2023 20:07:30 GMT
Because too many people cry foul for a too many reasons. If a man worms his way into your house unseen and uninvited then when he is found, no matter how much time later he gets his marching orders, same goes if he overstayed a welcome. A country is basically a very big family house that those entitled to be here normally get to say who else comes in. Its a poor metaphor. But anyway, you say too many people don't want it? So its democracy getting in the way? It is not a metaphor it is what a Nation is, or was. Democracy is not getting in the way but international and national 'law' thwarting democracy is. In the main we know what the electorate want, they have voted for it often enough these past 60 years, but for some reason the democratic wishes of the people can be ignored by those who wish the UK to be something different to what it was without so much as a by your leave to the electorate. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 13, 2023 21:22:28 GMT
Its a poor metaphor. But anyway, you say too many people don't want it? So its democracy getting in the way? It is not a metaphor it is what a Nation is, or was. Democracy is not getting in the way but international and national 'law' thwarting democracy is. In the main we know what the electorate want, they have voted for it often enough these past 60 years, but for some reason the democratic wishes of the people can be ignored by those who wish the UK to be something different to what it was without so much as a by your leave to the electorate. Well anyway. Illegal migrants are a tiny proportion of the population 0.07%. So I don't think t would have much effect on the number of available homes. Legal migration, that's a whole other number. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 13, 2023 21:25:45 GMT
It is not a metaphor it is what a Nation is, or was. Democracy is not getting in the way but international and national 'law' thwarting democracy is. In the main we know what the electorate want, they have voted for it often enough these past 60 years, but for some reason the democratic wishes of the people can be ignored by those who wish the UK to be something different to what it was without so much as a by your leave to the electorate. Well anyway. Illegal migrants are a tiny proportion of the population 0.07%. So I don't think t would have much effect on the number of available homes. Legal migration, that's a whole other number. Where do you get your illegal migrants numbers from. No one knows the estimated vary from hundreds of thousands to millions, and I mean millions. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 13, 2023 21:31:53 GMT
Well anyway. Illegal migrants are a tiny proportion of the population 0.07%. So I don't think t would have much effect on the number of available homes. Legal migration, that's a whole other number. Where do you get your illegal migrants numbers from. No one knows the estimated vary from hundreds of thousands to millions, and I mean millions. Pick a number. A million, presumably living in the black economy still don't much effect the housing market. A million is 1.4% |
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