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Post by Pacifico on Oct 17, 2023 7:27:51 GMT
Of course it is, any selection based on an attribute is discrimination, the point is that levelling up, whatever it is, is not a race based selection. The whole point as regards 'historic racism' is that the vast majority of people believed that making a judgement as regards someone based on the colour of his skin was just plain wrong. Now it seems the left think that some must be judged by the colour of their skin and must be discriminated against to correct an historic injustice the level of which is uncertain and the continuance of which is a crime; even worse for which the individuals upon whom that new discrimination is enacted have no responsibility for the injustices or the crimes for which they are being discriminated against. I'm not particularly a fan of positive discrimination, but how else do you ensure that minorities have fair representation? Do minorities need fair representation?. Surely all that is needed is fair access - whether they take up that opportunity is another matter. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 17, 2023 7:35:54 GMT
Andrew,
You don't. Instead you allow people to associate with who they want and society to evolve on this matter naturally.
You first misstep is to have a preference - ie "people should be doing things like this and should reach these correct conclusions".
By taking this approach, you are crushing the natural process which allow the truth to be distilled from experience. If you carry on doing this, you will destroy society with compulsion and compelled incompetence.
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 17, 2023 7:52:33 GMT
What's wrong with the left: They support the alphabet people, and the mad mullahs in Britain and the Mid-East.
Queers for Palestine anyone?
Palestine for queers anyone?
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2023 8:14:37 GMT
Of course it is, any selection based on an attribute is discrimination, the point is that levelling up, whatever it is, is not a race based selection. The whole point as regards 'historic racism' is that the vast majority of people believed that making a judgement as regards someone based on the colour of his skin was just plain wrong. Now it seems the left think that some must be judged by the colour of their skin and must be discriminated against to correct an historic injustice the level of which is uncertain and the continuance of which is a crime; even worse for which the individuals upon whom that new discrimination is enacted have no responsibility for the injustices or the crimes for which they are being discriminated against. I'm not particularly a fan of positive discrimination, but how else do you ensure that minorities have fair representation? We the 'white British people' are now heading towards being the minorities in our own country, and this only happens when certain groups of people are being over represented.
You only have to go in to certain areas in the country (thankfully not mine), and all you will see is multicultural shops, they even have their own advice centers that help them get every single penny they get get out of our welfare system, they have their own housing associations that enable them to jump the queue as 'priorities', they even have their own banking system, all favouable to them.
And quite frankly, and rightly, the white British people are getting pissed off with becoming second class citizens in OUR OWN country, we have to go to the back of queue.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 17, 2023 8:55:50 GMT
From the 50's onwards our empire got smaller meaning less revenue coming in meaning more taxes would have to be raised to offset losses elsewhere to maintain a modern economy. our expenses maintaining that empire also shrivelled, whilst our trade with the newly independent countries of the commonwealth continued apace… |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 17, 2023 9:11:52 GMT
I know I am opening a can of worms here and will get no sensible comments but I am going to give it a go. I hear the left is this and the left is that but never any sensible reasons for disliking them. Typical. The left spends other peoples money - and so do all political parties. The left are champagne socialists - the left has no problem with some amongst them being well off. The left are woke - we are all woke to one degree or another, so what? The left want to defund the police - they don't. The left are in the pockets of the unions - the unions are made up of working people. The left support BLM - they do they believe all lives matter. The left call out things like food bank use - they do but why doesn't everyone? Just a few. Ok let’s take that ‘the left are in the pocket of the unions’ then I’ve only one experience of union membership In 1977 as a starving student i took a job in the easter break at Merretts bakery where i witnessed the chemical reaction known as the Chorleywood Bread Process up close and personal as i put the crosses on a million hot cross buns 48 at a time As an employee in the bakery membership if the closed shop bakers union was mandatory and a deduction of one’s union dues was the first thing declared on the payslip ahead of Tax and NI as it was based on gross pay And of course part of that was the political levy I was forced to pay the labour party in order to work What i found singularly offensive was that in my last week on site before returning to uni i was asked to put in a load of overtime and the payroll girls messed up and i didn’t get the money in my last pay packet. The head of payroll on site found and instantly fessed up to the screwup. Fair enough. They couldn’t do anything about it on the spit but promised to sort it for the next weeks pay packet. Again fair enough i thought BUT When i went to collect my pay due the packet was only half what it should have been The bakers union demanded half of it as this was a different week and a full weeks union dues including the tax to the labour party had to be deducted I tried all manner of complaints but to no avail My MP did fuck all. Well he was Jim Callaghan after all I rejoiced when Maggie gave Scargill a kicking because i considered it a just punishment for union theft from my pay packet. Had they been a less thieving bunch of scum i might have had a bit of sympathy. In the light if their actions, not a chance |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 17, 2023 10:23:19 GMT
What's wrong with the left: They support the alphabet people, and the mad mullahs in Britain and the Mid-East. Queers for Palestine anyone? Palestine for queers anyone? That really is the ultimate stupidity..  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 11:18:10 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn is a terrorist loving cock. When people run out of sensible things to argue they refer back to Jeremy Corbyn.😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 11:19:50 GMT
Is levelling up discrimination? Of course it is, any selection based on an attribute is discrimination, the point is that levelling up, whatever it is, is not a race based selection. The whole point as regards 'historic racism' is that the vast majority of people believed that making a judgement as regards someone based on the colour of his skin was just plain wrong. Now it seems the left think that some must be judged by the colour of their skin and must be discriminated against to correct an historic injustice the level of which is uncertain and the continuance of which is a crime; even worse for which the individuals upon whom that new discrimination is enacted have no responsibility for the injustices or the crimes for which they are being discriminated against. So we have a racist government, what's new? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 11:24:48 GMT
What's wrong with the left: They support the alphabet people, and the mad mullahs in Britain and the Mid-East. Queers for Palestine anyone? Palestine for queers anyone? Do you think people who are different are not worthy of consideration. "Palestinian state police enforce moral codes of conduct, and the level of police brutality against LGBTQ people is immense." There are a lot of gay people in the Arab world including in Palestine and these are persecuted when 'found out', is this what you are advocating in the UK? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 11:26:17 GMT
I'm not particularly a fan of positive discrimination, but how else do you ensure that minorities have fair representation? We the 'white British people' are now heading towards being the minorities in our own country, and this only happens when certain groups of people are being over represented.
You only have to go in to certain areas in the country (thankfully not mine), and all you will see is multicultural shops, they even have their own advice centers that help them get every single penny they get get out of our welfare system, they have their own housing associations that enable them to jump the queue as 'priorities', they even have their own banking system, all favouable to them.
And quite frankly, and rightly, the white British people are getting pissed off with becoming second class citizens in OUR OWN country, we have to go to the back of queue.
One day there will be no white people in the UK, natures way of 'levelling up'. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 17, 2023 11:29:18 GMT
I'm not particularly a fan of positive discrimination, but how else do you ensure that minorities have fair representation? Do minorities need fair representation?. Surely all that is needed is fair access - whether they take up that opportunity is another matter. Yes, they do. Otherwise you are saying that they don't have the same abilities as the majority. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2023 11:30:26 GMT
We the 'white British people' are now heading towards being the minorities in our own country, and this only happens when certain groups of people are being over represented.
You only have to go in to certain areas in the country (thankfully not mine), and all you will see is multicultural shops, they even have their own advice centers that help them get every single penny they get get out of our welfare system, they have their own housing associations that enable them to jump the queue as 'priorities', they even have their own banking system, all favouable to them.
And quite frankly, and rightly, the white British people are getting pissed off with becoming second class citizens in OUR OWN country, we have to go to the back of queue.
One day there will be no white people in the UK, natures way of 'levelling up'. On this one off occasion I think you are right. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 11:31:47 GMT
I know I am opening a can of worms here and will get no sensible comments but I am going to give it a go. I hear the left is this and the left is that but never any sensible reasons for disliking them. Typical. The left spends other peoples money - and so do all political parties. The left are champagne socialists - the left has no problem with some amongst them being well off. The left are woke - we are all woke to one degree or another, so what? The left want to defund the police - they don't. The left are in the pockets of the unions - the unions are made up of working people. The left support BLM - they do they believe all lives matter. The left call out things like food bank use - they do but why doesn't everyone? Just a few. Ok let’s take that ‘the left are in the pocket of the unions’ then I’ve only one experience of union membership In 1977 as a starving student i took a job in the easter break at Merretts bakery where i witnessed the chemical reaction known as the Chorleywood Bread Process up close and personal as i put the crosses on a million hot cross buns 48 at a time As an employee in the bakery membership if the closed shop bakers union was mandatory and a deduction of one’s union dues was the first thing declared on the payslip ahead of Tax and NI as it was based on gross pay And of course part of that was the political levy I was forced to pay the labour party in order to work What i found singularly offensive was that in my last week on site before returning to uni i was asked to put in a load of overtime and the payroll girls messed up and i didn’t get the money in my last pay packet. The head of payroll on site found and instantly fessed up to the screwup. Fair enough. They couldn’t do anything about it on the spit but promised to sort it for the next weeks pay packet. Again fair enough i thought BUT When i went to collect my pay due the packet was only half what it should have been The bakers union demanded half of it as this was a different week and a full weeks union dues including the tax to the labour party had to be deducted I tried all manner of complaints but to no avail My MP did fuck all. Well he was Jim Callaghan after all I rejoiced when Maggie gave Scargill a kicking because i considered it a just punishment for union theft from my pay packet. Had they been a less thieving bunch of scum i might have had a bit of sympathy. In the light if their actions, not a chance The closed shop practice ended in 1990 and I for one never agreed with it. There is no doubt the unions made a lot of mistakes but they also did a lot of good. As to thatcher "Destroyed British industry and laid waste to communities that have never recovered." |
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