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Post by jonksy on Oct 5, 2023 3:04:18 GMT
So they can piss it up the wall fellow Brit. Hows the ferries doing BTW? The ferry problem is nothing when compared to HS2. At least the work on the ferries will be completed, the same can't be said for HS2. Leeds & Manchester were the destinations with a possible extension into Scotland. Now it will go no further than Birmingham. Billions of money squandered. Money that could have been spent on the NHS. Add to HS2 the Crossrail project which came in massively over budget and way past its original completion date Concentrate on your own back yard! Everything the SNATS ever touch turns to shit. You have the worst drug problem in Europe an Education system that was the envy of the world just turned into a SNAT diversity champion and an NHS that is the worst in the UK. You have rats running in the street where the garbage isn't being collected etc etc and you tell us we should get our own house in order fellow Brit. And lets not even mention the complete fuck up by the SNATS during covid.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 5, 2023 8:28:53 GMT
The insanity of allowing full devolution of healthcare was amply demonstrated during the pandemic. No sooner had the Prime Minister appeared on national television with his expert advisers including the Chief Medical Officer of England to announce a set of measures, than Wee Krankie would appear on the evening news, CMO in tow, declaring "No we're not going to do that. The epidemic is different in Scotland so we're going to do this instead."
You can scarcely imagine how stupid this appeared from abroad.
There can be no possible justification for spending £110 million on a bureaucratic superstructure for the NHS in Scotland. What possible value can it add?
Seven of the nine English regions have a larger population than Scotland yet none of them have a healthcare organisational structure with any entity above regional directorate. Why Scotland, with a population of 5.4 million, needs the full panoply of a bureaucracy all the way up to minister level when it is the fifth smallest of the twelve UK regions is simply baffling.
But I'm one or another of the resident Snats will be right back in with a pathetic attempt to defend the indefensible, telling us that was how it used to be done back in Bonnie Prince Charlie's day.
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Post by morayloon on Oct 5, 2023 8:57:04 GMT
We pay taxes which are squandered on expensive and needless devolution. Scotland is an artificial construct. Abolish devolution and Scotland. We are all British. Devolution is a waste of money that takes taxes away from frontline services and lines the wallets of the greedy self serving SNP. Abolish devolution and abolish Scotland. Direct rule. One legal system for all. Scotland is a country that existed centuries before the 'artificial construct' that is the UK came into being
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Post by Vinny on Oct 5, 2023 9:04:11 GMT
Good morning fellow Brit. Scotland is simply a made up set of lines on a map. Itself is an artificial construct. It ceased to be a proper country centuries ago. Abolish devolution on the mainland. Abolish Scotland, England and Wales. You can't see the boundaries without a map.
We are BRITISH.
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Post by borchester on Oct 5, 2023 9:08:17 GMT
Scotland was a land of study mountaineers called sheep, but then the Nats moved in, blamed everyone else for their cock ups and now all is woe.
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Post by morayloon on Oct 5, 2023 9:10:47 GMT
The ferry problem is nothing when compared to HS2. At least the work on the ferries will be completed, the same can't be said for HS2. Leeds & Manchester were the destinations with a possible extension into Scotland. Now it will go no further than Birmingham. Billions of money squandered. Money that could have been spent on the NHS. Add to HS2 the Crossrail project which came in massively over budget and way past its original completion date Concentrate on your own back yard! Everything the SNATS ever touch turns to shit. You have the worst drug problem in Europe an Education system that was the envy of the world just turned into a SNAT diversity champion and an NHS that is the worst in the UK. You have rats running in the street where the garbage isn't being collected etc etc and you tell us we should get our own house in order fellow Brit. And lets not even mention the complete fuck up by the SNATS during covid. Education is heading in the right direction. The Scottish NHS is actually the best performing Tell me a city that doesn't have rats. Exaggerating the problem is yet another attempt to smear the SNP Oh, don't you mean Boris's total fuck up. The SNP did very well considering no one know what they were dealing with. The SNPs hands are tied when it comes to the drug problem. Westminster holds the strings and have, up till now, thwarted Scot Gov's attempts to deal with the problem.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 5, 2023 9:19:48 GMT
Education in Scotland got fucked up massively by devolution.
Abolish devolution, there's no need for it. Make the case, phrase the question, hold the referendum. Abolish devolution (toxic divisiveness) by popular vote.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 5, 2023 9:42:08 GMT
Everything the SNATS ever touch turns to shit. You have the worst drug problem in Europe an Education system that was the envy of the world just turned into a SNAT diversity champion and an NHS that is the worst in the UK. You have rats running in the street where the garbage isn't being collected etc etc and you tell us we should get our own house in order fellow Brit. And lets not even mention the complete fuck up by the SNATS during covid. Education is heading in the right direction. The Scottish NHS is actually the best performing Tell me a city that doesn't have rats. Exaggerating the problem is yet another attempt to smear the SNP Oh, don't you mean Boris's total fuck up. The SNP did very well considering no one know what they were dealing with. The SNPs hands are tied when it comes to the drug problem. Westminster holds the strings and have, up till now, thwarted Scot Gov's attempts to deal with the problem. We if you think the right direction is down who am I to argue fellow Brit?
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Post by morayloon on Oct 5, 2023 10:08:24 GMT
The insanity of allowing full devolution of healthcare was amply demonstrated during the pandemic. No sooner had the Prime Minister appeared on national television with his expert advisers including the Chief Medical Officer of England to announce a set of measures, than Wee Krankie would appear on the evening news, CMO in tow, declaring "No we're not going to do that. The epidemic is different in Scotland so we're going to do this instead." You can scarcely imagine how stupid this appeared from abroad. There can be no possible justification for spending £110 million on a bureaucratic superstructure for the NHS in Scotland. What possible value can it add? Seven of the nine English regions have a larger population than Scotland yet none of them have a healthcare organisational structure with any entity above regional directorate. Why Scotland, with a population of 5.4 million, needs the full panoply of a bureaucracy all the way up to minister level when it is the fifth smallest of the twelve UK regions is simply baffling. But I'm one or another of the resident Snats will be right back in with a pathetic attempt to defend the indefensible, telling us that was how it used to be done back in Bonnie Prince Charlie's day. Why did you watch both when only one was relevant to you? I seldom listened to Boris's ramblings preferring to listen to the sage advice provided by Sturgeon and her medical team. Yes, they didn't always get it right but then, given the situation, she can be forgiven because everyone was working in the dark. Scotland, a constituent country of the UK, cannot be compared to counties of England. Why should those counties have their own HS? The situation regarding Scotland is merely acceptance of the fact that Scotland is not England. Whether you like it or not. The future of Scotland is down to the Scottish people. How do you intend increasing the 8% figure?
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 5, 2023 10:26:42 GMT
As expected. Ducking, weaving, falling back on how things used to be Good Old Days pre-1707 when Scotland could still legitimately be said to a 'country'. But that was 316 almost 317 years ago. I thought it was only Little Englanders who were supposed to still inhabit the past.
What do you think the archetypal visitor from Mars would make of the present arrangements where a region smaller than Yorkshire or the North West has a complete government with all the attendant trappings, bureaucratic apparatus and expense? He'd think it is madness as indeed do most observers on the continent once they become aware of the full extent of the foolishness.
There is no way to rationalise such a set-up except to attempt, as you do, to argue that's how it used to be in the Good Old Days when Scotland was a proper country, not as now a Lilliputian Ruritania, a latter-day Grand Duchy of Fenwick.
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Post by patman post on Oct 5, 2023 11:21:02 GMT
Simple as that. £696.1m for NHS Scotland currently wasted on the wages of separatist lunatics and other jobsworths. www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-budget-2023-24/pages/20/And more money would be saved too, because pet projects of the lunatics like the administrative costs associated with the separatists trying to ram through the perverts charter would be scrapped. If it’s reckoned that Scotland siphons all this money out of the UK, why is there so much animosity to its full independence…?
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 5, 2023 11:34:18 GMT
My own view is that Scots will never actually vote for independence no matter what various polls appear to show.
Just like last time, once in the polling booth the Braveheart-like bravado and romanticism will evaporate and pragmatism and common sense will take over.
That being the case, it is severely damaging to the long-term health of the Union to allow devolution to continue in its current form, since all that seems to result is a clamouring for more of it and further encouragement for the 'nationalist cause'. Scotland needs to be placed on the same administrative footing as the English regions and the folly of treating it as if an actual country brought to a close.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 5, 2023 12:14:36 GMT
Scotland doesn't want independence. Most Scots want the union.
And if explained to them, just how much devolution wastes, most Scots won't want devolution either. Lets hold another referendum on the matter, with the costs on the ballot paper, showing just what a waste of money it is and invite Scotland to abolish devolution.
Then, once devolution is abolished, set about taking down the boundary lines between England Wales and Scotland.
One legal system for all of us.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 5, 2023 15:06:36 GMT
Here's the question that should be asked: "Devolution is an economic and political failure that simply drives divisiveness whilst duplicating government at extra cost taking money from frontline services".
"The government advises abolition of it, can we?" Yes / No.
And we do not need the permission of the SNP to hold such a referendum, we just need a proper Conservative government with a spine.
Hold it UK wide.
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Post by patman post on Oct 5, 2023 19:04:26 GMT
Here's the question that should be asked: "Devolution is an economic and political failure that simply drives divisiveness whilst duplicating government at extra cost taking money from frontline services". "The government advises abolition of it, can we?" Yes / No. And we do not need the permission of the SNP to hold such a referendum, we just need a proper Conservative government with a spine. Hold it UK wide. Judging by the amount of animosity south of the border to Scotland, and the ongoing Scottish annoyance at the broken promise that voting for the Union would ensure Scotland remaining in the EU, I’m not convinced that a UK-wide referendum on Scottish independence would reject the idea of an independent Scotland…
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