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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 4, 2022 20:27:27 GMT
Can't believe so many people don't understand things that they want to comment on. Facts: 1. To claim asylum in the UK, you have to be on UK soil. Thus to enter the UK and claim asylum means that you are not an illegal immigrant. 2. You can pass through any safe country to another before claiming asylum, as long as you do not unnecessarily delay your journey. What does that mean, many migrants have been on French soil for months and even longer? There's no actual definition as to what constitutes reasonable delay, so a case would have to be able to be judged on it's merits. Oh and what's the case if an embassy has extraterritorial status? If that was the case they'd be queuing up at the UK embassy in Paris rather than risking life and limb in a dinghy! š |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 4, 2022 20:39:45 GMT
Can't believe so many people don't understand things that they want to comment on. Facts: 1. To claim asylum in the UK, you have to be on UK soil. Thus to enter the UK and claim asylum means that you are not an illegal immigrant. 2. You can pass through any safe country to another before claiming asylum, as long as you do not unnecessarily delay your journey. Until such time as you claim you are an illegal migrant, To add fuel to the fire anyone passing through the EU without a visa is an illegal migrant and breaking the law as and when they cross each border within Schengen. There is no right to pass through a safe country that right only comes into effect once you have claimed asylum at your chosen destination and the details of how you arrived become known. If you are caught illegally in a country they can and they should deport you. We know that will not happen as not only will a potential claim for asylum be made there but legal action to fight deportation will ensue. Too many people are playing fast and loose with a system designed to help the desperate. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 4, 2022 20:47:15 GMT
Section 16 of the Nationality and Borders Act 2022 states that:
(1) The Secretary of State may declare an asylum claim made by a person (a āclaimantā) who has a connection to a safe third State inadmissible.
There are several definitions of the term āconnectionā, but the most relevant for present purposes are given in s80c:
(4)Condition 4 is thatā
(a)the claimant was previously present in, and eligible to make a relevant claim to, the safe third State,
(b)it would have been reasonable to expect them to make such a claim, and
(c)they failed to do so.
(5)Condition 5 is that, in the claimantās particular circumstances, it would have been reasonable to expect them to have made a relevant claim to the safe third State (instead of making a claim in the United Kingdom).
As noted earlier officials don't as of yet appear to be making use of this legislation.
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Post by patman post on Nov 4, 2022 21:30:18 GMT
If the best legal system in the world canāt see off fraudulent claims, what hope is there for the st of us when dealing with wrongful or vexatious chargesā¦?
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Post by Toreador on Nov 4, 2022 21:34:59 GMT
What does that mean, many migrants have been on French soil for months and even longer? There's no actual definition as to what constitutes reasonable delay, so a case would have to be able to be judged on it's merits. Oh and what's the case if an embassy has extraterritorial status? If that was the case they'd be queuing up at the UK embassy in Paris rather than risking life and limb in a dinghy! š Not the ones who want to escape into the black economy. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 4, 2022 22:04:52 GMT
There's no actual definition as to what constitutes reasonable delay, so a case would have to be able to be judged on it's merits. If that was the case they'd be queuing up at the UK embassy in Paris rather than risking life and limb in a dinghy! š Not the ones who want to escape into the black economy. Well yeah, but they aren't taking our resources or costing us money, so are not really the issue. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 4, 2022 22:09:21 GMT
If the best legal system in the world canāt see off fraudulent claims, what hope is there for the st of us when dealing with wrongful or vexatious chargesā¦? It is not our system that is at fault it is the fact it is hamstrung by reference to a 'higher' court that unfortunately, but often as predicted, has fallen in to largely being the refuge for the disingenuous, the agent provocateur and the malign. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 4, 2022 22:26:41 GMT
Not the ones who want to escape into the black economy. Well yeah, but they aren't taking our resources or costing us money, so are not really the issue. The black economy does not cost the State money - are you sure? ...  |
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Post by jaydee on Nov 4, 2022 23:38:29 GMT
What's the difference in a homeless UK person walking in to a 5* hotel booking themselves in and telling them the UK tax payers will foot the bill? What more legality and legitimacy has a homeless illegal migrant got over a homeless UK citizen, why can't the homeless people in the UK play the same card as illegal migrants? You go from one idiotic scenario to another. Would you care to point out this legal route that you ranted about then went of on a tangent. Get this into the swede. The only way you can claim asylum in the UK is to be in the UK. Is to be in he UK. There is no safe route. That is why the migration across the channel has went from a trickle to the Niagara Falls under that clueless oaf Patel. A total waste of space. Who has made the United kingdom a laughing stock on its standard of humanity and applying international law. And her immigration bill. In terms of your garbage you have just posted. Once they are here. What do you want. Toss them onto the streets to die. Oh look a 3 year old illegal immigrant, who has invaded the country has been run over by a bus. Ah just leave it there to die. THATS THE BOLLOCKS COMING FROM YOU. So much for Brexit and taking back control. As you swallow that fanny hook line and sinker. In reference to that buffoon Johnston of Turkish origin and born in America. Migrants attempting to cross the Channel to get from France to the UK, Boris Johnson said āIf you come illegally, you are an illegal migrant, and Iām afraid the law will treat you as such.ā This is not correct in all cases. Although itās certainly true that crossing the Channel without authorisation isnāt a legal way to enter the UK, Article 31 of the UN Refugee Convention states that refugees cannot be penalised for entering the country illegally to claim asylum if they are ācoming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatenedā provided they āpresent themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presenceā. If they are refused asylum . . You tell me why they are still here. I am not talking about one or two. I am taking in tens of thousands. And who is to blame. Oh jings who has been in power since 2010. I have asked you at least 5 times. And you are still in denial. Of all refugees resettled in the UK from January 2010 to December 2021, around 70% were Syrian citizens. Your havering slastering drivel is clueless. As you swallow the fanny from a little Englander UKIP fascist thinking bunch of racist lying prats who call themselves a government. Immigration now under the control of Enoch Braverman who wets her knickers at the thoughts of Rwanda. FFS. And you defend that fascist crap. Its pathetic. fullfact.org/immigration/can-refugees-enter-uk-illegally/ |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 5, 2022 0:26:26 GMT
Well yeah, but they aren't taking our resources or costing us money, so are not really the issue. The black economy does not cost the State money - are you sure? ... Hmm. That wasn't what I said... |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 5, 2022 7:02:46 GMT
I hear that these "charities" are seeking damages for the detainees/"asylum seekers". One thing that occurs to me is that when you take legal action - even a class action - you have to provide verified identification. It's not possible to get paid compensation without doing this. So when/if they provide proof of their identity we can deport them, and bill them for their board and lodging while over here - which will naturally be taken out of their damages. And leave them with exactly SFA.  I wish, sadly I think we both know it's not going to happen. Apparently, illegals housed in overcrowded accommodation can, thanks to left wing lawyers, look forward to a Ā£6,000 pay out. It's beyond insane. The world is watching this fiasco and wondering what the hell is going on in the UK. I don't think there's any legal way for a solicitor to pay people who have not provided proof of identity. When I took part in a class action (as part of the diesel scandal) I had to provide proof of my identity and address - birth certificates and proof of address etc. They said that without this they could not legally pay me anything. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 5, 2022 7:48:33 GMT
The black economy does not cost the State money - are you sure? ... Hmm. That wasn't what I said... You said that illegals who join the black economy do not cost us money - the whole point of the black economy is to undercut the real economy by not following regulations, not paying taxes etc. etc.. That is a definite cost. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 5, 2022 8:21:43 GMT
I agree 100% it matters not if they have been granted leave to remain in the UK, entered illegally and the authorities and the don't know who they are or where they are here, or indigenous, anyone working in the Black Economy is not paying taxation or NI therefore not contributing towards the upkeep of the UK and helping to pay for the nation's bills and its infrastructure, NHS, Education etc etc.
It is also an Offence to evade taxation if earning sufficient to be liable to pay income tax, even more so if they are claiming any benefits as well
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 5, 2022 9:44:35 GMT
Apparently there are parts of Stoke-on-Trent that are no go areas for local white people, they are afraid to go out at night because drugged up migrants are hovering around looking for easy money, this is what will happen all over the country, they will turn to crime and become drugs runners and they will turn the UK in to a drugs shithole, I think it's too late to stop it.
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