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Post by dappy on Oct 3, 2023 8:37:53 GMT
If it's a 'bloody nightmare' now restricted speeds will surely help. Of course they wont FFS rr. There are too many restrictions now with bloody bus lanes which are used for busses about twice a day. And god help the motorists if they drive in the bus lanes as they will receive a hefty fine falling onto their doormats. Have I understood you correctly Jonksy. Are you saying that in Plymouth, which you seem to know well, you can’t even drive at 20mph? In which case what is the problem with reducing the limit to a speed which you can’t obtain anyway? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 3, 2023 8:48:36 GMT
With 33 million passenger cars, 5 million vans and trucks and a million other vehicles it's pretty obvious that the UK's road-space is severely congested and users cannot be allowed to drive around as if they were the only users on the road.
Every single mile of the UK's 247,000 mile road network has to accommodate 157 vehicles, not quite bumper to bumper but not far off.
'Freedom of the Road' those days are long gone.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 3, 2023 9:17:00 GMT
Of course they wont FFS rr. There are too many restrictions now with bloody bus lanes which are used for busses about twice a day. And god help the motorists if they drive in the bus lanes as they will receive a hefty fine falling onto their doormats. Have I understood you correctly Jonksy. Are you saying that in Plymouth, which you seem to know well, you can’t even drive at 20mph? In which case what is the problem with reducing the limit to a speed which you can’t obtain anyway? What about the bus lanes that take up half of the roads and are only used about twice a day? |
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Post by dappy on Oct 3, 2023 9:22:31 GMT
Honestly can’t think of a city bus route that only operates twice a day. Which road are you thinking of?
Not sure I see how that is relevant to a conversation about the disadvantages of reducing the speed limit from 30mph to 20mph. I presume you can’t think of any either?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 9:29:30 GMT
The only way I can keep to speed limits - which are invariably unnaturally low - is to set my cruise control to that speed and stop using the accelerator. But unfortunately my car doesn't allow cruise control to be set to slower than 30mph, so I have to keep watching the speedo all the time - which is effing dangerous IMO. Speedometers are large compared to the rest of the display and centred for ease of use, if you cannot keep a check on the speed you are doing don't drive. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 3, 2023 9:31:10 GMT
Honestly can’t think of a city bus route that only operates twice a day. Which road are you thinking of? Not sure I see how that is relevant to a conversation about the disadvantages of reducing the speed limit from 30mph to 20mph. I presume you can’t think of any either? My question is, why do they have to be reduced? After all, according to RAC a recent study has shown reducing speed from 30 to 20mph has "little impact" on road safety, collisions and speeding. Maybe, while we're at it, we can reduce motorways to a 60mph speed limit and bring the national speed limit down to 50mph and 40 mph speed limits down to 30mph. Failing that, we can all walk to where it is we need to be going, as being overtaken by a tractor would pretty much render time redundant in our low productivity world. www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/20-mph-speed-limits-have-seemingly-little-impact-on-crashes-casualties-driver-speed/ |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 9:32:06 GMT
If it's a 'bloody nightmare' now restricted speeds will surely help. Of course they wont FFS rr. There are too many restrictions now with bloody bus lanes which are used for busses about twice a day. And god help the motorists if they drive in the bus lanes as they will receive a hefty fine falling onto their doormats. What is it about safety that rattles your cage? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 9:35:14 GMT
Honestly can’t think of a city bus route that only operates twice a day. Which road are you thinking of? Not sure I see how that is relevant to a conversation about the disadvantages of reducing the speed limit from 30mph to 20mph. I presume you can’t think of any either? My question is, why do they have to be reduced? After all, according to RAC a recent study has shown reducing speed from 30 to 20mph has "little impact" on road safety, collisions and speeding. Maybe, while we're at it, we can reduce motorways to a 60mph speed limit and bring the national speed limit down to 50mph and 40 mph speed limits down to 30mph. Failing that, we can all walk to where it is we need to be going, as being overtaken by a tractor would pretty much render time redundant in our low productivity world. www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/20-mph-speed-limits-have-seemingly-little-impact-on-crashes-casualties-driver-speed/Always look on the bright side of life. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 3, 2023 9:36:42 GMT
Of course they wont FFS rr. There are too many restrictions now with bloody bus lanes which are used for busses about twice a day. And god help the motorists if they drive in the bus lanes as they will receive a hefty fine falling onto their doormats. What is it about safety that rattles your cage? Hang on. You've been caught out with your trolling. You think removing a loitering, nuisance to drivers on a traffic island is a breach to free speech. You couldn't give a feck about safety. For you it just depends on who is enacting what. My team good. Your team bad. You've lost any credibility you had. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 3, 2023 9:37:41 GMT
Honestly can’t think of a city bus route that only operates twice a day. Which road are you thinking of? Not sure I see how that is relevant to a conversation about the disadvantages of reducing the speed limit from 30mph to 20mph. I presume you can’t think of any either? My question is, why do they have to be reduced? After all, according to RAC a recent study has shown reducing speed from 30 to 20mph has "little impact" on road safety, collisions and speeding. Maybe, while we're at it, we can reduce motorways to a 60mph speed limit and bring the national speed limit down to 50mph and 40 mph speed limits down to 30mph. Failing that, we can all walk to where it is we need to be going, as being overtaken by a tractor would pretty much render time redundant in our low productivity world. Politics should be about balancing conflicting rights. I am trying to work out whether reducing speed limit to 20mph from 30mph is a good idea now that Sunak has made it a national rather than local issue. There seem to be many people vehemently opposed to the idea yet only one person has given any reason why this is a bad idea and even that reason was simply that he was an incompetent driver. On the basis there doesn’t seem to be any downsides at all, perhaps it is a good idea to drop the limit after all. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 3, 2023 9:41:08 GMT
My question is, why do they have to be reduced? After all, according to RAC a recent study has shown reducing speed from 30 to 20mph has "little impact" on road safety, collisions and speeding. Maybe, while we're at it, we can reduce motorways to a 60mph speed limit and bring the national speed limit down to 50mph and 40 mph speed limits down to 30mph. Failing that, we can all walk to where it is we need to be going, as being overtaken by a tractor would pretty much render time redundant in our low productivity world. Politics should be about balancing conflicting rights. I am trying to work out whether reducing speed limit to 20mph from 30mph is a good idea now that Sunak has made it a national rather than local issue. There seem to be many people vehemently opposed to the idea yet only one person has given any reason why this is a bad idea and even that reason was simply that he was an incompetent driver. On the basis there doesn’t seem to be any downsides at all, perhaps it is a good idea to drop the limit after all. And I'm asking why there is a need to suddenly slow down the speed limit. After all, in the previous post linked to a recent study there doesn't seem to be any benefit. So, why fix something that isn't broken? |
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Post by dappy on Oct 3, 2023 10:14:07 GMT
I take it you too can’t think of any downsides to reducing the speed limit to 20 from 30? You have had plenty of opportunity but have so far come up with nothing. It’s a fair question to ask what the benefits are and we should move on to that.
We have had a good couple of hours and so far nothing (apart from Steppens personal skill limitations). Are there any or do we simply accept that there are none.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 3, 2023 10:20:48 GMT
I bet the motorists were not asked. But of course the vitue signaling snowflakes would have been along with the licra louts.
The Tory attack on 20mph speed limits is already a losing battle
he prime minister, Rishi Sunak, has declared war on the “war on motorists”. He has said that he wants to end “harebrained” schemes for slower speed limits and safer, quieter roads. But history suggests, as I discovered while researching a forthcoming paper for the Foundation for Integrated Transport, in the long term he’s unlikely to succeed in his battle against 20mph zones.
The reason is simple: once people have experienced the benefits of slower speeds in their area, such as less noise and aggro and more child independence and cycling, they typically don’t want to bring the speed limits back up. Campaigns to reduce danger and nuisance from cars in cities have been running since the 1970s – and although they are often controversial, my findings suggest that they typically follow a predictable pattern.
Many actions are launched at the school gate by parents keen to liberate their children to walk or cycle to school without risking death or serious injury from fast traffic (research shows that for every 1mph reduction in average speed on urban roads, collision frequency reduces by about 6%). The trajectory continues upwards as other local groups pitch in and councillors favour residents who vote for them, rather than outsiders driving through.
It's the licra brigade who's pushed this through, that dopey lefty Jeremy Vine is forever obstructing motorists and being a licra pest, then trying to blame the motorists, then we have the money making rackets with fines, the lefties trying to make out its for road safety, that's the bottom of their list. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 3, 2023 10:22:05 GMT
Honestly can’t think of a city bus route that only operates twice a day. Which road are you thinking of? Not sure I see how that is relevant to a conversation about the disadvantages of reducing the speed limit from 30mph to 20mph. I presume you can’t think of any either? My question is, why do they have to be reduced? After all, according to RAC a recent study has shown reducing speed from 30 to 20mph has "little impact" on road safety, collisions and speeding. Maybe, while we're at it, we can reduce motorways to a 60mph speed limit and bring the national speed limit down to 50mph and 40 mph speed limits down to 30mph. Failing that, we can all walk to where it is we need to be going, as being overtaken by a tractor would pretty much render time redundant in our low productivity world. www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/20-mph-speed-limits-have-seemingly-little-impact-on-crashes-casualties-driver-speed/All part of the war on the motorist. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 3, 2023 10:24:36 GMT
I take it you too can’t think of any downsides to reducing the speed limit to 20 from 30? It increases pollution. But then that's part of the plan. |
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