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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 2, 2023 15:36:57 GMT
Well I think what most people are saying yes fair enough get the 'benefit scroungers' to work, but FIRST sort out the illegal migrant scroungers who are lounging about it 4 star hotels, full board, with pocket money and other perks, costing £8 million 'a day'. They haven't done a days work in the UK or contributed one penny in tax, my message to Hunt would be sort them out first, then we'll deal with our own homegrown scroungers. I agree, and contrary to what Starmer says, the two big issues on doorsteps today are stopping illegals crossing the channel, and scrapping unpopular net zero policies that people don't want and cant afford. Absolutely, and if they aren't the two big issues people are asking on the doorstep, then they are knocking on the wrong doors, or should I say the 'gated' driveways of the wealthy, who aren't effected by illegal crossings and net zero, they are oblivious to the 'real world'. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 2, 2023 15:41:35 GMT
How would you know what the two big issues on the doorsteps are? That's what commentators I'm listening to are saying. When people in the street have a microphone shoved in front of them and are asked what they are mostly concerned about, the two top responses are stopping the boats and stopping the war on the motorist/ulez/heat pumps (net zero). Of course since so few people are asked it's hardly scientific, but it is a snapshot of what's on people's minds. And I have to say, very few sensible people will be surprised. But you only listen to commentators who tell you what you want to hear. Objective surveys suggest by far the biggest issue is the economy followed by healthcare. Immigration does come in third but not clear whether that is mainly asylum or mainly legal immigration. Environment fourth - but not clear whether that is the climate change problem or, as you would like to be, anti Net Zero www.statista.com/statistics/886366/issues-facing-britain/You really should try to grasp that your priorities aren't necessarily those of the majority of the electorate. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 15:41:54 GMT
Who can trust the Tories when their leader thinks inflation is a tax and the government can reduce it.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 2, 2023 15:43:24 GMT
How would you know what the two big issues on the doorsteps are? Depends on where the doorstep is. Indeed, very good point. I suspect if you knocked on left wing Lineker's front door you might get a different response.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 15:43:55 GMT
I agree, and contrary to what Starmer says, the two big issues on doorsteps today are stopping illegals crossing the channel, and scrapping unpopular net zero policies that people don't want and cant afford. Absolutely, and if they aren't the two big issues people are asking on the doorstep, then they are knocking on the wrong doors, or should I say the 'gated' driveways of the wealthy, who aren't effected by illegal crossings and net zero, they are oblivious to the 'real world'. You do know that the 'illegal crossings' putting up asylum seekers in hotels, clumping them together is part of a 'culture war' by the Tories, don't you? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 2, 2023 15:53:00 GMT
That's what commentators I'm listening to are saying. When people in the street have a microphone shoved in front of them and are asked what they are mostly concerned about, the two top responses are stopping the boats and stopping the war on the motorist/ulez/heat pumps (net zero). Of course since so few people are asked it's hardly scientific, but it is a snapshot of what's on people's minds. And I have to say, very few sensible people will be surprised. But you only listen to commentators who tell you what you want to hear. Objective surveys suggest by far the biggest issue is the economy followed by healthcare. Immigration does come in third but not clear whether that is mainly asylum or mainly legal immigration. Environment fourth - but not clear whether that is the climate change problem or, as you would like to be, anti Net Zero www.statista.com/statistics/886366/issues-facing-britain/You really should try to grasp that your priorities aren't necessarily those of the majority of the electorate. An objective survey? Since survey/poll respondents are usually ordinary people rather than academics or experts in any particular field, I would have thought survey/poll results were subjective rather than objective. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 2, 2023 15:55:01 GMT
With respect Red, WTF are you talking about now?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 16:12:50 GMT
Haven't we always had the policies to weed out the 'work shy' and those that abuse the system? Of course we have, and the sanctions are brutal already. This is just more dog whistling for the brain dead negative emoters out there, who find intelligent thought processes based on facts far too difficult and just find it a lot easier to hate target groups. The biggest braindead nutters and loonies out there are invariably on the right, and they get spoonfed what to think by the likes of the Mail or the Sun. The biggest loony on this forum is the one who started this thread quoting the Daily Mail. The Daily Fucking Mail and he thinks intelligent people will take him seriously. And in answer to his question on another thread which I could not respond to since the thread was locked. Yes I do have a medical condition. But yes I do still work and am not planning to stop any time soon. Sorry if that does not fit his obvious desire to pidgeon hole me as a benefits scrounger. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 16:19:04 GMT
Well I think what most people are saying yes fair enough get the 'benefit scroungers' to work, but FIRST sort out the illegal migrant scroungers who are lounging about it 4 star hotels, full board, with pocket money and other perks, costing £8 million 'a day'. They haven't done a days work in the UK or contributed one penny in tax, my message to Hunt would be sort them out first, then we'll deal with our own homegrown scroungers. I agree, and contrary to what Starmer says, the two big issues on doorsteps today are stopping illegals crossing the channel, and scrapping unpopular net zero policies that people don't want and cant afford. That actually depends on whose doorsteps. These might be the big issues for feather bedded pensioners who dont have to worry about the cost of living. But for most people I know the big issues on the doorstep are the cost of living itself and the terrible state of the NHS. For millions of exploited private tenants, housing probably matters more to them than most other things. I speak to a great many people in my job. You should get out more and not assume that your own chosen circles, your own echo chamber, is representative of the public at large. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 16:26:18 GMT
The current minimum wage is £10.42 so £11 would be a 5.6% increase, which is not much enough with inflation currently way above that. That's if you are over 23 years old. If you are under 18 you will have to put up with £5.28 an hour, which is outrageous. This is all pre-election rhetoric from Hunt who still has ambitions to be PM. We are indeed in a sorry state of affairs in this country when a below inflation, real terms pay cut, for the lowest paid is trumpeted as something generous. Whilst a growing army of pensioners supported by those of us who work get much larger increases in their incomes than the rest of us, paid for by the rest of us whom they are forever moaning about. It is about time we froze state pensions which are becoming an unaffordable burden, and triple locked the minimum income guarantee for pensioners instead. And triple locked the minimum wage while we are at it. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 2, 2023 16:34:02 GMT
Tory rhetoric, nothing more.
We need more skilled and semi skilled training .
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 2, 2023 16:37:06 GMT
Who can trust the Tories when their leader thinks inflation is a tax and the government can reduce it. Not a student of economics then? “By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily,”
John Maynard Keynes, “The economic consequences of the peace”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 16:50:40 GMT
Absolutely, and if they aren't the two big issues people are asking on the doorstep, then they are knocking on the wrong doors, or should I say the 'gated' driveways of the wealthy, who aren't effected by illegal crossings and net zero, they are oblivious to the 'real world'. You do know that the 'illegal crossings' putting up asylum seekers in hotels, clumping them together is part of a 'culture war' by the Tories, don't you? They have never shown any sign of the nous, insight, and intelligence to even begin to understand that. They find emoting so much easier than deeply thinking, and are very loathe to let mere facts get in their way. The nation is in the sorry state it is in not because of the powerless people they love to hate. But because of the powerful ones in charge, actually making all the decisions, whom these twats keep voting for. Whilst all our money gets siphoned off into offshore accounts. They are the exploiter class's useful idiots. And after all they have done to this country with their brain dead thinking patterns, most of them have the nerve to say young people should not be trusted with a vote. Whilst spending their entire lives demonstrating that if anyone shouldnt be trusted with a vote it is them. Look at what they have done to this country they profess to love. Look at the state we are in today. It is shocking and shameful. It is enough to make anyone despair of democracy itself when so many of the people are such easily manipulated bloody idiots. What the answer is I dont know, but we might all be a bit better informed if we left our preconceptions and favoured hate targets at the door and learned to think for ourselves rather than be told what to think by the rich and the powerful, even as they shovel ever more of our wealth off to the Caymen Islands. Everything is falling apart and starved of cash. We are all getting poorer. Yet our taxes are higher than at any time since the war. Where is all the fucking money going? And I will give them a few clues. It is not the penniless boat people, nor those struggling on welfare. It is not the EU nor any lefty woke establishment. Start to figure out where all our money is really going and they might start to realise they are venting their spleens at scapegoats, whilst the real villains are taking them for fools as they laugh all the way to the bank. If the useful idiots even began to do enough thinking to even begin to understand this, then the exploiter class ability to milk us dry might become harder. But for as long as people's anger is successfully deflected onto powerless target groups, the real villains can get away with it. And the sad decline of our nation will continue as they keep on milking us dry. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 2, 2023 17:10:02 GMT
I agree, and contrary to what Starmer says, the two big issues on doorsteps today are stopping illegals crossing the channel, and scrapping unpopular net zero policies that people don't want and cant afford. That actually depends on whose doorsteps. These might be the big issues for feather bedded pensioners who dont have to worry about the cost of living. But for most people I know the big issues on the doorstep are the cost of living itself and the terrible state of the NHS. For millions of exploited private tenants, housing probably matters more to them than most other things. I speak to a great many people in my job. You should get out more and not assume that your own chosen circles, your own echo chamber, is representative of the public at large. I don't just talk to people in my own chosen circle, you may be quite surprised how many people I talk to and in my experience the single issue that people are most likely to comment on is the cross channel illegals fiasco, and by some margin. You mention exploited tenants yet with hundreds of thousands of illegals landing on English beaches every year it's a situation that can only get worse, and lets not forget the illegals hotel bill is currently £8 million a day. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 2, 2023 17:11:22 GMT
Everything is falling apart and starved of cash. We are all getting poorer. Yet our taxes are higher than at any time since the war. Where is all the fucking money going? And I will give them a few clues. It is not the penniless boat people, nor those struggling on welfare. It is not the EU nor any lefty woke establishment. Start to figure out where all our money is really going and they might start to realise they are venting their spleens at scapegoats, whilst the real villains are taking them for fools as they laugh all the way to the bank. Crackpot railway schemes and the NHS mainly... |
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