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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 1, 2023 5:37:05 GMT
Further to "Are black people proud to be British" Almost half of young Black British people plan to leave the country amid wider concerns of societal racism, landmark research launched on the eve of Black History Month has revealed.
More than 10,000 Black British people were surveyed for the Black British Voices Project between November 2021 and March 2022. The research – a collaboration between British African-Caribbean newspaper The Voice, Cambridge University and Black-led consultancy I-Cubed – covered 16 topics including Britishness, education and the workplace. While 45 per cent of under-25s said they regard Britain as their permanent home, 39 per cent indicated that they aspire to live elswhere in the future. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/black-britons-voice-newspaper-study-b2421048.htmlAll I can say is, excellent news. However, I don't for a moment believe them, but if young black people are serious about leaving this country then the government should make the process as swift and simple as possible. Indeed, perhaps cash incentives could be offered.  |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 1, 2023 6:12:01 GMT
Further to "Are black people proud to be British" Almost half of young Black British people plan to leave the country amid wider concerns of societal racism, landmark research launched on the eve of Black History Month has revealed.
More than 10,000 Black British people were surveyed for the Black British Voices Project between November 2021 and March 2022. The research – a collaboration between British African-Caribbean newspaper The Voice, Cambridge University and Black-led consultancy I-Cubed – covered 16 topics including Britishness, education and the workplace. While 45 per cent of under-25s said they regard Britain as their permanent home, 39 per cent indicated that they aspire to live elswhere in the future. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/black-britons-voice-newspaper-study-b2421048.htmlAll I can say is, excellent news. However, I don't for a moment believe them, but if young black people are serious about leaving this country then the government should make the process as swift and simple as possible. Indeed, perhaps cash incentives could be offered. Good luck to them, be lucky and bon-voyage, just one thing, in a globalised world where will they be escaping too? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 1, 2023 6:16:24 GMT
Good luck to them, be lucky and bon-voyage, just one thing, in a globalised world where will they be escaping too? I have no idea, and tbh I don't care I just hope they're not bluffing. |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 1, 2023 6:19:05 GMT
Good luck to them, be lucky and bon-voyage, just one thing, in a globalised world where will they be escaping too? I have no idea, and tbh I don't care I just hope they're not bluffing. Its all bullshit, where are the queues for leaving, I don't see any. I see a lot of large queues arriving though. |
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 1, 2023 11:44:22 GMT
Further to "Are black people proud to be British" Almost half of young Black British people plan to leave the country amid wider concerns of societal racism, landmark research launched on the eve of Black History Month has revealed.
More than 10,000 Black British people were surveyed for the Black British Voices Project between November 2021 and March 2022. The research – a collaboration between British African-Caribbean newspaper The Voice, Cambridge University and Black-led consultancy I-Cubed – covered 16 topics including Britishness, education and the workplace. While 45 per cent of under-25s said they regard Britain as their permanent home, 39 per cent indicated that they aspire to live elswhere in the future. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/black-britons-voice-newspaper-study-b2421048.htmlAll I can say is, excellent news. However, I don't for a moment believe them, but if young black people are serious about leaving this country then the government should make the process as swift and simple as possible. Indeed, perhaps cash incentives could be offered. Trouble is the (39%) people who aspire to anything are probably the ones we should be keeping . 45% say they regard themselves as British which leaves 16% who neither see themselves as British nor aspire to be anything that we need to finding and deporting asap . |
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 12:52:20 GMT
Further to "Are black people proud to be British" Almost half of young Black British people plan to leave the country amid wider concerns of societal racism, landmark research launched on the eve of Black History Month has revealed.
More than 10,000 Black British people were surveyed for the Black British Voices Project between November 2021 and March 2022. The research – a collaboration between British African-Caribbean newspaper The Voice, Cambridge University and Black-led consultancy I-Cubed – covered 16 topics including Britishness, education and the workplace. While 45 per cent of under-25s said they regard Britain as their permanent home, 39 per cent indicated that they aspire to live elswhere in the future. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/black-britons-voice-newspaper-study-b2421048.htmlAll I can say is, excellent news. However, I don't for a moment believe them, but if young black people are serious about leaving this country then the government should make the process as swift and simple as possible. Indeed, perhaps cash incentives could be offered. Trouble is the (39%) people who aspire to anything are probably the ones we should be keeping . 45% say they regard themselves as British which leaves 16% who neither see themselves as British nor aspire to be anything that we need to finding and deporting asap . why is that then? I dont regard myself as british , and in the last census results published from scotland two thirds of scots doent regard themselves as british , with only 6 % seeing themselves in terms of national identity as british .
I would wager a high percentage of northern irish are the same , similar to many in wales and england.
Is britshness dying out? perhaps many of these young black people see themselves as english ?
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Post by jonksy on Oct 1, 2023 15:33:47 GMT
Further to "Are black people proud to be British" Almost half of young Black British people plan to leave the country amid wider concerns of societal racism, landmark research launched on the eve of Black History Month has revealed.
More than 10,000 Black British people were surveyed for the Black British Voices Project between November 2021 and March 2022. The research – a collaboration between British African-Caribbean newspaper The Voice, Cambridge University and Black-led consultancy I-Cubed – covered 16 topics including Britishness, education and the workplace. While 45 per cent of under-25s said they regard Britain as their permanent home, 39 per cent indicated that they aspire to live elswhere in the future. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/black-britons-voice-newspaper-study-b2421048.htmlAll I can say is, excellent news. However, I don't for a moment believe them, but if young black people are serious about leaving this country then the government should make the process as swift and simple as possible. Indeed, perhaps cash incentives could be offered. Good. |
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 1, 2023 17:00:12 GMT
Trouble is the (39%) people who aspire to anything are probably the ones we should be keeping . 45% say they regard themselves as British which leaves 16% who neither see themselves as British nor aspire to be anything that we need to finding and deporting asap . why is that then? I dont regard myself as british , and in the last census results published from scotland two thirds of scots doent regard themselves as british , with only 6 % seeing themselves in terms of national identity as british .
I would wager a high percentage of northern irish are the same , similar to many in wales and england.
Is britshness dying out? perhaps many of these young black people see themselves as english ?
Good point but Im assuming the people asking the question are saying British to be inclusive of those not born within these shores . If you come here from overseas you become British rather than English or Scottish ect . |
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 17:25:59 GMT
why is that then? I dont regard myself as british , and in the last census results published from scotland two thirds of scots doent regard themselves as british , with only 6 % seeing themselves in terms of national identity as british .
I would wager a high percentage of northern irish are the same , similar to many in wales and england.
Is britshness dying out? perhaps many of these young black people see themselves as english ?
Good point but Im assuming the people asking the question are saying British to be inclusive of those not born within these shores . If you come here from overseas you become British rather than English or Scottish ect . It didnt appear to stop french born christian allard standing as an snp politician and becoming scottish , or kurdish born roza salih seeing herself as scottish and becoming a snp politician.
Wonder why these people in england exclusively cant think of themselves as english , but that alleged rule doesnt seem to be the case in scotland with migrants to our country becomimg scottish.?
perhaps its becsue many of these people came from former empire countries , back in the day when their ancestors were of course british subjects or citizens , ? It is a strange one.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Oct 1, 2023 17:38:24 GMT
How many of those who "aspire to leave Britain" intend to do so only when they've acquired enough wealth to live comfortably back in their own countries?
A surprising number of WHITE Brits who have wealth aspire to leave Britain and settle in countries where their wealth is of greater benefit to them.
I was told by a Jamaican that there are gated communities of White Brits who have settled there ... and apparently there are similar communities in Kenya and Tanzania.
In the early 2000s I lived in a large sheltered housing scheme in London where many of the flats rented by non-white people seldom seemed to be occupied ... I was told that they spent most of their time back in their countries of origin .... where they owned property and businesses. They maintained a presence here in order to avail themselves of NHS treatment ... and claim certain benefits. If the benefits people sent letters saying they were going to visit them they'd fly back (having arranged for people to check their mail regularly). I believe that the Government have since tightened up on the recording of whether people are actually in the country. When there was trouble in Kenya a dozen or so Kenyans came back to wait out the strife.
An Egyptian guy I knew there was gathering meds from the other tenants (often after they'd died) and periodically flying back to Egypt with them. He claimed he was bribing the Egyptian customs with meds which were expensive there.
There are advantages to being an immigrant ...if you know how to work the system.
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 1, 2023 18:48:49 GMT
Good point but Im assuming the people asking the question are saying British to be inclusive of those not born within these shores . If you come here from overseas you become British rather than English or Scottish ect . It didnt appear to stop french born christian allard standing as an snp politician and becoming scottish , or kurdish born roza salih seeing herself as scottish and becoming a snp politician.
Wonder why these people in england exclusively cant think of themselves as english , but that alleged rule doesnt seem to be the case in scotland with migrants to our country becomimg scottish.?
perhaps its becsue many of these people came from former empire countries , back in the day when their ancestors were of course british subjects or citizens , ? It is a strange one.
People can see themselves to be anything they like but how does a Frenchman 'become' Scottish , its not as if you can apply for a Scottish passport is it ? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 19:06:06 GMT
It didnt appear to stop french born christian allard standing as an snp politician and becoming scottish , or kurdish born roza salih seeing herself as scottish and becoming a snp politician.
Wonder why these people in england exclusively cant think of themselves as english , but that alleged rule doesnt seem to be the case in scotland with migrants to our country becomimg scottish.?
perhaps its becsue many of these people came from former empire countries , back in the day when their ancestors were of course british subjects or citizens , ? It is a strange one.
People can see themselves to be anything they like but how does a Frenchman 'become' Scottish , its not as if you can apply for a Scottish passport is it ? i was merely replying to your nugget of unfounded wisdom that apparently people from outside these islands who come to live here automatically see themselves as british rather than english/scottish,irish or welsh. That doesnt appear to be the case in the two cases i mentioned.
the majority of people around the world dont hold a passport. That doesnt mean they dont have a nationality. A travel document doesnt give you nationality. Its a piece of paper for travelling about. I dont have a scottish passport either at the minute , but see myself as scottish. Nationality is a mindset .
i do however have two other pieces of paper that say im scottish...my birth certificate and marriage certificate.
The point is christian allard , and roza salih are your foreign born migrants to these islands who dont see themselves as british.
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 2, 2023 7:11:20 GMT
People can see themselves to be anything they like but how does a Frenchman 'become' Scottish , its not as if you can apply for a Scottish passport is it ? i was merely replying to your nugget of unfounded wisdom that apparently people from outside these islands who come to live here automatically see themselves as british rather than english/scottish,irish or welsh. That doesnt appear to be the case in the two cases i mentioned.
the majority of people around the world dont hold a passport. That doesnt mean they dont have a nationality. A travel document doesnt give you nationality. Its a piece of paper for travelling about. I dont have a scottish passport either at the minute , but see myself as scottish. Nationality is a mindset .
i do however have two other pieces of paper that say im scottish...my birth certificate and marriage certificate.
The point is christian allard , and roza salih are your foreign born migrants to these islands who dont see themselves as british.
I wasn't saying people that come here see themselves as British .What I was saying is that they can legally become British but maybe not English/Scottish ect It was a genuine question as to how these people become Scottish ,if the answer is its a mindset then fair enough , I just thought there would be a higher bar |
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Post by thomas on Oct 2, 2023 7:28:37 GMT
i was merely replying to your nugget of unfounded wisdom that apparently people from outside these islands who come to live here automatically see themselves as british rather than english/scottish,irish or welsh. That doesnt appear to be the case in the two cases i mentioned.
the majority of people around the world dont hold a passport. That doesnt mean they dont have a nationality. A travel document doesnt give you nationality. Its a piece of paper for travelling about. I dont have a scottish passport either at the minute , but see myself as scottish. Nationality is a mindset .
i do however have two other pieces of paper that say im scottish...my birth certificate and marriage certificate.
The point is christian allard , and roza salih are your foreign born migrants to these islands who dont see themselves as british.
I wasn't saying people that come here see themselves as British .What I was saying is that they can legally become British but maybe not English/Scottish ect It was a genuine question as to how these people become Scottish ,if the answer is its a mindset then fair enough , I just thought there would be a higher bar well in your earlier post , you used words like "regard" or" aspire "to be british . You also dont have to come to the yookay to legally become british. Britishness is a citizenship that is applied to people living in overseas areas like the falklands , or gibraltar , to people who may have never once set foot in these islands. As i said earlier , despite this mythical country not existing on any map , britishness is sort of like a hangover from the days of empire. So that too is a mindset that only exists on travel document pieces of paper.
what do you mean? If someone like roza salih comes to scotland from kurdistan , they can become scottish. She clearly sees herself as scottish . are you merely talking about citizenship from a uk perspective? Roza regards herslef as scottish , and aspires to be scottish , which is what you were inferring black people dont in england with englishness/britshness earlier. You even talked about deporting people who dont see themselves as british.
Sorry but you appear all over the place.
your original argument was that they dont see themselves as british. Presumably , they are legally british if they are here , but that wasnt your earleir poiint .You were talking about how they see themselves irresepctive of legality.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 2, 2023 7:41:13 GMT
Trouble is the (39%) people who aspire to anything are probably the ones we should be keeping . 45% say they regard themselves as British which leaves 16% who neither see themselves as British nor aspire to be anything that we need to finding and deporting asap . why is that then? I dont regard myself as british , and in the last census results published from scotland two thirds of scots doent regard themselves as british , with only 6 % seeing themselves in terms of national identity as british .
I would wager a high percentage of northern irish are the same , similar to many in wales and england.
Is britshness dying out? perhaps many of these young black people see themselves as english ?
It doesn't really matter what you or anyone else 'regard' yourselves as Thomas, it doesn't alter the fact that you are British. |
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