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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 30, 2023 6:49:03 GMT
On the last Forum a while back … before it was pulled down and destroyed … some of us were sticking our necks out and discussing in the Mind Zone the idea of multiple Big Bangs, Space Time and Time itself being just conceptual and a figment of human imagination … thus making Einstein’s Theory of Relativity (Time Elasticity) impossible … and clock error/distortions responsible for leading Science down a cul-de-sac for over a century.
Well, it looks like results from the JWST are confirming our logical arguments were correct … and now mainstream science … and astro-physics in particular is in turmoil.🤔
Enjoy! 🤣
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Post by Vanna on Sept 30, 2023 8:33:13 GMT
Interesting, thanks DD. I have always thought that time as such was a misnomer and a false definition. And that big banging out nothing was an extremely clumsy and rather arrogant way of admitting that the origins of things are basically unknown to us as yet.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 30, 2023 9:04:56 GMT
Interesting, thanks DD. I have always thought that time as such was a misnomer and a false definition. And that big banging out nothing was an extremely clumsy and rather arrogant way of admitting that the origins of things are basically unknown to us as yet. 👍 … Yes, Vanna … this idea that the Universe exploded out of some Singularity point event always struck me as unlikely … and just Theoretical Astro-Physicists doing too many drugs … possibly using the elasticity of maths symbolism to create Time Elasticity and other mythologies! |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 30, 2023 9:21:21 GMT
Interesting, thanks DD. I have always thought that time as such was a misnomer and a false definition. And that big banging out nothing was an extremely clumsy and rather arrogant way of admitting that the origins of things are basically unknown to us as yet. 👍 … Yes, Vanna … this idea that the Universe exploded out of some Singularity point event always struck me as unlikely … and just Theoretical Astro-Physicists doing too many drugs … possibly using the elasticity of maths symbolism to create Time Elasticity and other mythologies! NASA has computer software that can go back to nanoseconds after the blast that created the universe. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2023 10:11:36 GMT
So the Bible could be right, then? And man may have been around for <10,000 years?
Who made time?
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Post by jonksy on Sept 30, 2023 11:17:47 GMT
So the Bible could be right, then? And man may have been around for <10,000 years? Who made time? All theories have alternative views it's a fact of life. |
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Post by piglet on Sept 30, 2023 12:57:13 GMT
The above is like a bloke trying to figure out how a car works, its important but not much. The essense of existence is that we exist, therefore even if nothing exists, its given meaning by our existence, so nothing cannot exist.
The ramifications of that is that the Universe is infinite, and by definition so are you, you are a product of the Universe. I havent got much time, to cut things short, the bible has teachings about how powerful your mind is, its the crucible of creation, you create your own existence by how you think, feel, and imagine.
Humans are still animals, governed by power, violence, greed, vanity, etc, like animals, but far more powerful, creating weapons of mass destruction, war, famines, crime, the law of the jungle, in fact we are worse than animals. The good news is that we are on the brink of a higher existence due to our higher brains, we are capable of mind blowing destruction.....and good.
The bad news is that if you dont evolve, over countless existences, you devolve, becoming the more destructive animals, carnivours, poisonous, deadly, till you devolve completely to start over again in this realm of suffering, and suffering is the method of change, and love, it evolves you.
The way forward is to give, there is a parable about an indian prince who is walking in a jungle and comes across a starving tiger, and he holds his arm out for the tiger to eat. Jesus said something along those lines when he said " what use is that" referring to evil doing, a human lifetime is a gift. While holding your arm out for a tiger to eat is extreme, it makes the point.
Rescue that bug in the water but, adopt a kitten, give to dog charities, devolve your wealth, you will get it back in spades. Repay hate with love, the goal is too move on from the worlds of suffering, to something higher, dont put it off, time is short, your life is short, the time is now, even if your giving means abuse and hate from those you help. It helps them spiritually awaken. Hateful people are devolving, and you dont have time to waste.
Tinkering in a car engine is interesting though.
Which is this world, a bigger brain gives you a better chance of evolving, a dog or a cat cannot, or has less ability to change themselves.
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Post by Vanna on Sept 30, 2023 13:38:24 GMT
👍 … Yes, Vanna … this idea that the Universe exploded out of some Singularity point event always struck me as unlikely … and just Theoretical Astro-Physicists doing too many drugs … possibly using the elasticity of maths symbolism to create Time Elasticity and other mythologies! NASA has computer software that can go back to nanoseconds after the blast that created the universe. When you post something like this you will always get the Bible poking its nose in and you will always find some who feel they must inform you of what and who they think you are so you can be educated and stop thinking outside the box of God, or atheism, or what ever it is that drives any ideology. We do not have the foggiest notion what it's all about, in truth, but some of us have given ourselves the chance to see beyond our back yard and these new telescopes are providing much of that new view. We are like tiny motes of dust in an infinitely vast space and we think we have it all sorted. Which is fine. But it has never been fine for me. I will continue to be open to possibilities. Wodwo by Ted Hughes What am I? Nosing here, turning leaves over Following a faint stain on the air to the river's edge I enter water. Who am I to split The glassy grain of water looking upward I see the bed Of the river above me upside down very clear What am I doing here in mid-air? Why do I find this frog so interesting as I inspect its most secret interior and make it my own? Do these weeds know me and name me to each other have they seen me before do I fit in their world? I seem separate from the ground and not rooted but dropped out of nothing casually I've no threads fastening me to anything I can go anywhere I seem to have been given the freedom of this place what am I then? And picking bits of bark off this rotten stump gives me no pleasure and it's no use so why do I do it me and doing that have coincided very queerly But what shall I be called am I the first have I an owner what shape am I what shape am I am I huge if I go to the end on this way past these trees and past these trees till I get tired that's touching one wall of me for the moment if I sit still how everything stops to watch me I suppose I am the exact centre but there's all this what is it roots roots roots roots and here's the water again very queer but I'll go on looking |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 30, 2023 14:26:24 GMT
NASA has computer software that can go back to nanoseconds after the blast that created the universe. When you post something like this you will always get the Bible poking its nose in and you will always find some who feel they must inform you of what and who they think you are so you can be educated and stop thinking outside the box of God, or atheism, or what ever it is that drives any ideology. We do not have the foggiest notion what it's all about, in truth, but some of us have given ourselves the chance to see beyond our back yard and these new telescopes are providing much of that new view. We are like tiny motes of dust in an infinitely vast space and we think we have it all sorted. Which is fine. But it has never been fine for me. I will continue to be open to possibilities. Wodwo by Ted Hughes What am I? Nosing here, turning leaves over Following a faint stain on the air to the river's edge I enter water. Who am I to split The glassy grain of water looking upward I see the bed Of the river above me upside down very clear What am I doing here in mid-air? Why do I find this frog so interesting as I inspect its most secret interior and make it my own? Do these weeds know me and name me to each other have they seen me before do I fit in their world? I seem separate from the ground and not rooted but dropped out of nothing casually I've no threads fastening me to anything I can go anywhere I seem to have been given the freedom of this place what am I then? And picking bits of bark off this rotten stump gives me no pleasure and it's no use so why do I do it me and doing that have coincided very queerly But what shall I be called am I the first have I an owner what shape am I what shape am I am I huge if I go to the end on this way past these trees and past these trees till I get tired that's touching one wall of me for the moment if I sit still how everything stops to watch me I suppose I am the exact centre but there's all this what is it roots roots roots roots and here's the water again very queer but I'll go on looking Soory Vanna but your post is about as relevant as a fart in a teapot. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2023 14:47:33 GMT
👍 … Yes, Vanna … this idea that the Universe exploded out of some Singularity point event always struck me as unlikely … and just Theoretical Astro-Physicists doing too many drugs … possibly using the elasticity of maths symbolism to create Time Elasticity and other mythologies! NASA has computer software that can go back to nanoseconds after the blast that created the universe. But that's just their illusion, Jonksy. Based on man's flawed knowledge and a computer's flawed modelling. NASA think they are gods, mind, so they could be right. |
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Post by Vanna on Sept 30, 2023 14:57:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2023 15:22:06 GMT
On the last Forum a while back … before it was pulled down and destroyed … some of us were sticking our necks out and discussing in the Mind Zone the idea of multiple Big Bangs, Space Time and Time itself being just conceptual and a figment of human imagination … thus making Einstein’s Theory of Relativity (Time Elasticity) impossible … and clock error/distortions responsible for leading Science down a cul-de-sac for over a century. Well, it looks like results from the JWST are confirming our logical arguments were correct … and now mainstream science … and astro-physics in particular is in turmoil.🤔 Enjoy! 🤣 That is the best video I've seen recently, Dubs. It does actually throw into the melting pot all of the theories of space/time, and throws into question dating of events, measuring of distances using red shift and it actually is mind blowing. One of the biggest unanswered questions is "Why is the night sky dark". It should be light. Then there's gravity which has possibly been a distortion in space/time all along. As a believer in God, I find these things to be so far outside of our true understanding, and the reason for that is the intelligence of a Creator who designed the whole system. Other beliefs are available.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2023 15:26:22 GMT
Interesting, thanks DD. I have always thought that time as such was a misnomer and a false definition. And that big banging out nothing was an extremely clumsy and rather arrogant way of admitting that the origins of things are basically unknown to us as yet. That's OK, but how else do we deal with things that have happened, or are yet to happen? If we understand that there is no time, only the present, we still need to measure time to keep appointments. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 30, 2023 15:30:38 GMT
On the last Forum a while back … before it was pulled down and destroyed … some of us were sticking our necks out and discussing in the Mind Zone the idea of multiple Big Bangs, Space Time and Time itself being just conceptual and a figment of human imagination … thus making Einstein’s Theory of Relativity (Time Elasticity) impossible … and clock error/distortions responsible for leading Science down a cul-de-sac for over a century. Well, it looks like results from the JWST are confirming our logical arguments were correct … and now mainstream science … and astro-physics in particular is in turmoil.🤔 Enjoy! 🤣 That is the best video I've seen recently, Dubs. It does actually throw into the melting pot all of the theories of space/time, and throws into question dating of events, measuring of distances using red shift and it actually is mind blowing. One of the biggest unanswered questions is "Why is the night sky dark". It should be light. Then there's gravity which has possibly been a distortion in space/time all along. As a believer in God, I find these things to be so far outside of our true understanding, and the reason for that is the intelligence of a Creator who designed the whole system. Other beliefs are available. Didn't we stop crediting God for the things we don't understand after the Enlightenment? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 1, 2023 6:25:59 GMT
Interesting, thanks DD. I have always thought that time as such was a misnomer and a false definition. And that big banging out nothing was an extremely clumsy and rather arrogant way of admitting that the origins of things are basically unknown to us as yet. There is no such thing as "nothing". Nature abhors a vacuum. A vacuum consists of a multitude of particles and anti-particles which are constantly destroying each other, then borrowing energy and recreating themselves. All it takes is the conditions to separate the matter and anti-matter (like a strong magnetic field) and then you potentially have a universe. This has been done on a very small scale in the laboratory - and the scientists were very disappointed to find that anti-matter reacts just like matter to gravity. If it went the other way that would have been very interesting. As for "time" I don't think anyone has ever understood what it is - not even Brian Cox.  |
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