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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 30, 2023 13:59:47 GMT
I noticed with much interest that the presenter on the video in the opening post points out that ( in his opinion ), Keir Starmer is no different to either Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak - ALL LIARS according to him. But of course there is one colossal difference - Keir Starmer has never broken a promise to "The Electorate" because he has never been in power. What Keir Starmer has done, is to go back on his word to Labour members and voters, and in my opinion, often for very good reasons. So, many within the Labour Party and Labour supporters would love to see the water industry nationalised, its a vote winner, but REALITY rules the day, and if Labour become the governing party next year, the financial situation is going to be very tight - WHERE is the Billions going to come from to take back the water industry. ? Reality - is that when the Labour Party publishes its manifesto going into the next general election, and IF Keir Starmer wins that election, and then breaks a - MANIFESTO PROMISE - then, he can be justifiably be called a liar. so you are reduced to redefining what a liar means sid? I tell you sid , your daily muck raking and desperate straw clutching gets more zany as the weeks pass by.
you mean the english and welsh water industry of course as scottish water is nationalised , and it was your labour party who tried to privatise it back in the day until we told you to fack off.
i think you and your party and going to have to do a lot better than refuse to make any promises because money is tight. Didnt you leave the tories a note in 2010 telling them you had spent all the cash and there ws nothing left? Bleating about no money is a bit rich coming from a labour supporter.
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Post by thomas on Sept 30, 2023 14:00:15 GMT
so you are reduced to redefining what a liar means sid? I tell you sid , your daily muck raking and desperate straw clutching gets more zany as the weeks pass by.
you mean the english and welsh water industry of course as scottish water is nationalised , and it was your labour party who tried to privatise it back in the day until we told you to fack off.
i think you and your party and going to have to do a lot better than refuse to make any promises because money is tight. Didnt you leave the tories a note in 2010 telling them you had spent all the cash and there ws nothing left? Bleating about no money is a bit rich coming from a labour supporter.
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 30, 2023 14:01:25 GMT
Love your new avatar Thomas. barsteward. Spoilsport.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 30, 2023 20:53:14 GMT
But of course there is one colossal difference - Keir Starmer has never broken a promise to "The Electorate" because he has never been in power. Horseshit - Starmer made a series of pledges to get elected to Leader of the Labour Party and broke every one of them. Face facts Sid - you were played..  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2023 10:45:40 GMT
Politics is a dirty game
I know that an orthodox, left wing, socialist Labour Party cannot attain power, as in government. I knew from the very outset that Jeremy Cotbyn would never be Prime Minister. I also know that history can teach us lessons, and Labours biggest ever win was in 1997, a record majority, a huge landslide victory.
The evidence of what kind of Labour Party can win is there - its part of recent history, a MODERATE Left of Centre, progressive party which advocates capitalism with a moral conscience is a recipe for success.
But the Labour Party has the same problem as the Conservative Party - its members, who are out of touch with the electorate.
People said to me that "the Labour Party now has record membership under Jeremy Corbyn", and my answer to that statement was ..... "what use is record membership if you cannot win a general election".
So yes, I accept that Keir Starmer did have to get around those grass roots members to become leader, and then bring the party back towards the winning Centre Left, yes he perhaps did have to "go along" with some of the Socialist Utopians who believe theres money for anything and everything.
I dont like idealistic Socialists, they dont live in the Real World, but on the other hand I dont like the Tories, because I refuse to accept a doctrine of "The Free Market" as been the only way, sink or swim, survival of the fittest, competition which involves the race to the bottom, and the unregulated employment market which they always push for.
Both main parties need to appeal to The Electorate to get into government, NOT their members, and Keir Starmer not only recognised that fact, he found a way to do it, and he was not always forthcoming on his political views to the grass roots members, including the lunatic Socialists, but we now have a Labour Party at the very edge of government.
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Post by wapentake on Oct 1, 2023 10:59:52 GMT
The ringpeice you are defending is on camera lying his arse off FFS. Well prove that what I posted was not true, otherwise you have just, once again, proved that you are an idiot.Now in an earlier post you said this Some hypocrisy at work? |
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Post by see2 on Oct 1, 2023 11:16:37 GMT
Silly twist as usual, I expect no better. Does anyone care what you expect? Certainly not Righties with their fixation on anti-Labour insinuations and distortions. Whereas open minded people might well take note. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 1, 2023 11:21:29 GMT
Love your new avatar Thomas. barsteward. I wouldn't mind betting that I'm more closely related to the Black Watch than you are. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 11:23:17 GMT
I wouldn't mind betting that I'm more closely related to the Black Watch than you are. Thats terribly interesting old fruit. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 1, 2023 11:24:02 GMT
Well prove that what I posted was not true, otherwise you have just, once again, proved that you are an idiot.Now in an earlier post you said this Some hypocrisy at work? No, that was the sort of reply reserved for that particular poster who has well earned the right to be insulted. And my comment on Righties is proven over and over again on this forum. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 1, 2023 11:26:36 GMT
I wouldn't mind betting that I'm more closely related to the Black Watch than you are. Thats terribly interesting old fruit. Thought it might be old bean. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 11:39:26 GMT
Thats terribly interesting old fruit. Thought it might be old bean. i thought this was rather more interesting....
NEW: Labour lead drops to 10pts (-5)
🟥 Labour 39% (-2)
🟦 Conservative 29% (+3)
🟧 Liberal Democrat 12% (+1)
🟩 Green 7% (-)
🟪 Reform 7% (-1)
🟨 Scottish National 3% (-)
Labour majority of only *24 seats* 🟥
Via @opiniumresearch
, 27-29 September (+/- vs 13-14 September)
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Post by see2 on Oct 1, 2023 11:43:41 GMT
I recognise the pent up anger of many who can't help but denigrate, insinuate, distort, and deviate from reality, it shows in their single minded one sided approach to politics. Oh! what a country destroying lie that will ruin the economy, he must never be forgiven hahahahaha. You are a joke. Corbyn was a friend of sorts when Starmer was Corbyn's second in command, he had to be on friendly terms that is obvious to all but the seriously biased. Starmer has explained that they were never personal friends i.e. never friends outside of politics. Thanks for exposing just how dishonest propagandists can be. OK than... 1) He lied during PMQs.. explain this one away lol. 2) He told a Liverpool audience that he would never engage with The Sun... then he writes a column for them. 3) Literally every promise in his leadership campaign was a lie. It goes on and on. He is a populist that switches his position depending on which way the wind is blowing, yet you are expecting people not to call him out for it on some rediculous "to critise Starmer is to let the Tories win" position. Look at the polls, they are narrowing BECAUSE Starmer's lies and flip-flopping are now being exposed. His lack of political principles is going to throw away a good Labour majority. That is why people are pissed off with him. Most of the country are ready for a change, but they want HONESTY... not Boris style popularism ffs! You can cover your eyes and ears all you want, he is being exposed, and it is only going to get worse in the run up to the election. Corbyn is still more popular than him, how the fuck somebody screw this up so bad when the Tories have imploded so spectacularly!! yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/labour-politicians/allDon't tell me why I post things, that's just your silly imagination at work. He commented on the EU Medicines agency to a Liverpool audience, that we should be looking to retain it, not to throw it away. That was his opinion. What was his comment in the Sun, did he USE THE SUN to get information to Sun readers? If so good on him, that in no way supports the sun. Your fixation on making Starmer out as a liar say so much about yourself. I know full well the stench of anti-labour propaganda. It hasn't changed much throughout the ages. Boris leaving office probably has more to do with the loss of support for Starmer, but don't let the full picture spoil your fun. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 1, 2023 11:55:25 GMT
Thought it might be old bean. i thought this was rather more interesting....
NEW: Labour lead drops to 10pts (-5)
🟥 Labour 39% (-2)
🟦 Conservative 29% (+3)
🟧 Liberal Democrat 12% (+1)
🟩 Green 7% (-)
🟪 Reform 7% (-1)
🟨 Scottish National 3% (-)
Labour majority of only *24 seats* 🟥
Via @opiniumresearch
, 27-29 September (+/- vs 13-14 September)
If your posts are anything to go on it would seem that anti-Labour poisonous propaganda is more effective in Scotland than in England. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 12:07:00 GMT
i thought this was rather more interesting....
NEW: Labour lead drops to 10pts (-5)
🟥 Labour 39% (-2)
🟦 Conservative 29% (+3)
🟧 Liberal Democrat 12% (+1)
🟩 Green 7% (-)
🟪 Reform 7% (-1)
🟨 Scottish National 3% (-)
Labour majority of only *24 seats* 🟥
Via @opiniumresearch
, 27-29 September (+/- vs 13-14 September)
If your posts are anything to go on it would seem that anti-Labour poisonous propaganda is more effective in Scotland than in England. how so ? Isnt the fact labour cant win in england starmers general problem?
i dont think you even have to resort to the effort of propaganda see 2. Everytime starmer and co open gubs labour lose votes. The best anti labour propaganda anyone could offer is putting keir starmer on a platform and giving him a microphone.
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