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Post by see2 on Sept 28, 2023 15:50:01 GMT
Starmer became leader of the Labour party 2019 just at the end of austerity and just before Covid struck. When Covid struck he found himself facing a very different country with exaggerated needs, of course he was going to have to adjust to the difference circumstances. AND after yet another defeat of hard left Labour, a change of direction was due. Nevertheless, normal Rightest insults, denigrations, deviations and dishonest insinuations will continue, why wouldn't they, they have worked so well in the past it would be foolish not to continue them. I think you live in a parallel universe. Starmer (the shadow Brexit minister) literally cost Labour the last election by forcing Corbyn, an EU sceptic, to back his mad plans to overturn the Brexit vote lol. That was the travesty, Corbyn had literally spent three fucking decades being one of the most vocal opponents of the EU... the fact you do not appear to know this is mind blowing. As for Starmer lies... please explain how covid forces him to lie? lol. eg "Corbyn is a friend..." vs "he was never a friend, havent spoken to him in year"... SO ONE OF THOSE STATEMENTS HAS TO BE A LIE hahahaha. CHECKMATE I recognise the pent up anger of many who can't help but denigrate, insinuate, distort, and deviate from reality, it shows in their single minded one sided approach to politics. Oh! what a country destroying lie that will ruin the economy, he must never be forgiven hahahahaha. You are a joke. Corbyn was a friend of sorts when Starmer was Corbyn's second in command, he had to be on friendly terms that is obvious to all but the seriously biased. Starmer has explained that they were never personal friends i.e. never friends outside of politics. Thanks for exposing just how dishonest propagandists can be. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 28, 2023 17:29:31 GMT
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Post by see2 on Sept 28, 2023 18:48:10 GMT
Same old childish rightist denigration. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 28, 2023 18:49:48 GMT
Oborne. A life long Conservative, a tweeter who worked for the Daily Mail for long enough, enough said. Oh - so Oborne forced Starmer to lie.. OK..  Silly twist as usual, I expect no better. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 28, 2023 20:56:41 GMT
Oh - so Oborne forced Starmer to lie.. OK.. Silly twist as usual, I expect no better. Does anyone care what you expect? |
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 29, 2023 1:16:23 GMT
I think you live in a parallel universe. Starmer (the shadow Brexit minister) literally cost Labour the last election by forcing Corbyn, an EU sceptic, to back his mad plans to overturn the Brexit vote lol. That was the travesty, Corbyn had literally spent three fucking decades being one of the most vocal opponents of the EU... the fact you do not appear to know this is mind blowing. As for Starmer lies... please explain how covid forces him to lie? lol. eg "Corbyn is a friend..." vs "he was never a friend, havent spoken to him in year"... SO ONE OF THOSE STATEMENTS HAS TO BE A LIE hahahaha. CHECKMATE I recognise the pent up anger of many who can't help but denigrate, insinuate, distort, and deviate from reality, it shows in their single minded one sided approach to politics. Oh! what a country destroying lie that will ruin the economy, he must never be forgiven hahahahaha. You are a joke. Corbyn was a friend of sorts when Starmer was Corbyn's second in command, he had to be on friendly terms that is obvious to all but the seriously biased. Starmer has explained that they were never personal friends i.e. never friends outside of politics. Thanks for exposing just how dishonest propagandists can be. OK than... 1) He lied during PMQs.. explain this one away lol. 2) He told a Liverpool audience that he would never engage with The Sun... then he writes a column for them. 3) Literally every promise in his leadership campaign was a lie. It goes on and on. He is a populist that switches his position depending on which way the wind is blowing, yet you are expecting people not to call him out for it on some rediculous "to critise Starmer is to let the Tories win" position. Look at the polls, they are narrowing BECAUSE Starmer's lies and flip-flopping are now being exposed. His lack of political principles is going to throw away a good Labour majority. That is why people are pissed off with him. Most of the country are ready for a change, but they want HONESTY... not Boris style popularism ffs! You can cover your eyes and ears all you want, he is being exposed, and it is only going to get worse in the run up to the election. Corbyn is still more popular than him, how the fuck somebody screw this up so bad when the Tories have imploded so spectacularly!! yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/labour-politicians/all |
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Post by thomas on Sept 29, 2023 6:57:44 GMT
i thought this a very good video by peter oborne
It took lies to take us out. Why not lie to take us back in? i think thats the point oborne is trying to make monte , about the fallacy of starmer trying to imitate the mistakes of previous prime ministers , and the damage this is doing to democracy.
If this is starmers secret strategy(no laughing please) power at all costs and to hell with the truth and democracy , then so be it. Better get prepared for the reigniting of the brittannia skip fire.
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Post by thomas on Sept 29, 2023 7:01:27 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Sept 29, 2023 7:04:37 GMT
It seems ALL labour supporters like to be pissed on their backs. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 29, 2023 7:08:52 GMT
It seems ALL labour supporters like to be pissed on their backs. yep. As a glaswegian , where labour ran our city from the 1930`s through to 2017 , and saw themselves chiefs of their scottish fiefdom for decades , i can vouch for that. It takes time for the working class to see through these frauds , its true , but eventually we do.
The labour liars dominoes fell in scotland , then northern england , and finally we can only hope it eventually dawns on the welsh one day .
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Post by sheepy on Sept 29, 2023 7:10:37 GMT
I recognise the pent up anger of many who can't help but denigrate, insinuate, distort, and deviate from reality, it shows in their single minded one sided approach to politics. Oh! what a country destroying lie that will ruin the economy, he must never be forgiven hahahahaha. You are a joke. Corbyn was a friend of sorts when Starmer was Corbyn's second in command, he had to be on friendly terms that is obvious to all but the seriously biased. Starmer has explained that they were never personal friends i.e. never friends outside of politics. Thanks for exposing just how dishonest propagandists can be. OK than... 1) He lied during PMQs.. explain this one away lol. 2) He told a Liverpool audience that he would never engage with The Sun... then he writes a column for them. 3) Literally every promise in his leadership campaign was a lie. It goes on and on. He is a populist that switches his position depending on which way the wind is blowing, yet you are expecting people not to call him out for it on some rediculous "to critise Starmer is to let the Tories win" position. Look at the polls, they are narrowing BECAUSE Starmer's lies and flip-flopping are now being exposed. His lack of political principles is going to throw away a good Labour majority. That is why people are pissed off with him. Most of the country are ready for a change, but they want HONESTY... not Boris style popularism ffs! You can cover your eyes and ears all you want, he is being exposed, and it is only going to get worse in the run up to the election. Corbyn is still more popular than him, how the fuck somebody screw this up so bad when the Tories have imploded so spectacularly!! yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/labour-politicians/allAh the new replacement tactics, he is a populist, since when? has he stood on a platform of direct democracy? not on your nelly, has he offered both sides of an argument, not on your nelly, has he ever said he will stand by a majority vote by the people, not on your nelly. Just so you know full well we know populism is and has been under attack by the establishment since 2016. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 29, 2023 17:06:01 GMT
seems that lying is not a bar to high office in the Labour Party.... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2023 12:10:40 GMT
Starmer is a liar.
It seems the only way to become elected is to be fast and loose with the truth.
Starmer is playing the political game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2023 12:31:04 GMT
I noticed with much interest that the presenter on the video in the opening post points out that ( in his opinion ), Keir Starmer is no different to either Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak - ALL LIARS according to him.
But of course there is one colossal difference - Keir Starmer has never broken a promise to "The Electorate" because he has never been in power.
What Keir Starmer has done, is to go back on his word to Labour members and voters, and in my opinion, often for very good reasons.
So, many within the Labour Party and Labour supporters would love to see the water industry nationalised, its a vote winner, but REALITY rules the day, and if Labour become the governing party next year, the financial situation is going to be very tight - WHERE is the Billions going to come from to take back the water industry. ?
Reality - is that when the Labour Party publishes its manifesto going into the next general election, and IF Keir Starmer wins that election, and then breaks a - MANIFESTO PROMISE - then, he can be justifiably be called a liar.
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Post by thomas on Sept 30, 2023 12:41:54 GMT
I noticed with much interest that the presenter on the video in the opening post points out that ( in his opinion ), Keir Starmer is no different to either Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak - ALL LIARS according to him. But of course there is one colossal difference - Keir Starmer has never broken a promise to "The Electorate" because he has never been in power. What Keir Starmer has done, is to go back on his word to Labour members and voters, and in my opinion, often for very good reasons. So, many within the Labour Party and Labour supporters would love to see the water industry nationalised, its a vote winner, but REALITY rules the day, and if Labour become the governing party next year, the financial situation is going to be very tight - WHERE is the Billions going to come from to take back the water industry. ? Reality - is that when the Labour Party publishes its manifesto going into the next general election, and IF Keir Starmer wins that election, and then breaks a - MANIFESTO PROMISE - then, he can be justifiably be called a liar. so you are reduced to redefining what a liar means sid? I tell you sid , your daily muck raking and desperate straw clutching gets more zany as the weeks pass by.
you mean the english and welsh water industry of course as scottish water is nationalised , and it was your labour party who tried to privatise it back in the day until we told you to fack off.
i think you and your party and going to have to do a lot better than refuse to make any promises because money is tight. Didnt you leave the tories a note in 2010 telling them you had spent all the cash and there ws nothing left? Bleating about no money is a bit rich coming from a labour supporter.
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