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Post by sheepy on Sept 24, 2023 13:09:59 GMT
He should take the Jo Swinson tactic of "I will be PM and I will take you back into Europe". Apparently, 62% of the population are so desperate to re-join the EU that they will stick their cross in the LibDem box. He will have a landslide win. Its a great plan, nothing could possibly go wrong. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 24, 2023 13:37:00 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 13:49:27 GMT
He should take the Jo Swinson tactic of "I will be PM and I will take you back into Europe". Apparently, 62% of the population are so desperate to re-join the EU that they will stick their cross in the LibDem box. He will have a landslide win. Its a great plan, nothing could possibly go wrong. It workd out well for dingleberry didn't it?.....Oh wait a minute LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 15:09:50 GMT
The Lib Dems are the 3rd party of the UK, or the 4th party of Scotland, and whist they are for the time been pretty much Not Relevant, they have, and could again wield influence.
During Tony Blairs first term of office the Lib Dems had 46 seats, 52 seats in 2001, 62 in 2005, and 57 during the coalition years.
They should be what they have always been a cross between a party of progressive politics, libatarian and social conscience combined with been pro European.
I suspect one reason why they are not making good headway in the polls is a combination of the fact that many who want rid of the Tories can sense a very realistic chance of Labour winning, and the reality is that the next government will either be Labour or Tory.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 24, 2023 15:17:55 GMT
The Lib Dems are the 3rd party of the UK, or the 4th party of Scotland, and whist they are for the time been pretty much Not Relevant, they have, and could again wield influence. During Tony Blairs first term of office the Lib Dems had 46 seats, 52 seats in 2001, 62 in 2005, and 57 during the coalition years. They should be what they have always been a cross between a party of progressive politics, libatarian and social conscience combined with been pro European. I suspect one reason why they are not making good headway in the polls is a combination of the fact that many who want rid of the Tories can sense a very realistic chance of Labour winning, and the reality is that the next government will either be Labour or Tory. The rot set in with the Lib-dems when Clegg formed a coalition with the Tories, he built the Lib-dem manifesto on 'abolishing Tuition fees', while in Coalition the Tories proposed to raise Tuition fees, and Clegg voted with them.
FFS talk about turn coat, after that people knew they could never trust the Lib-dems again, they can't be trusted to run a bath never mind a country.
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 24, 2023 16:06:37 GMT
The Lib Dems are the 3rd party of the UK, or the 4th party of Scotland, and whist they are for the time been pretty much Not Relevant, they have, and could again wield influence. During Tony Blairs first term of office the Lib Dems had 46 seats, 52 seats in 2001, 62 in 2005, and 57 during the coalition years. They should be what they have always been a cross between a party of progressive politics, libatarian and social conscience combined with been pro European. I suspect one reason why they are not making good headway in the polls is a combination of the fact that many who want rid of the Tories can sense a very realistic chance of Labour winning, and the reality is that the next government will either be Labour or Tory. The rot set in with the Lib-dems when Clegg formed a coalition with the Tories, he built the Lib-dem manifesto on 'abolishing Tuition fees', while in Coalition the Tories proposed to raise Tuition fees, and Clegg voted with them.
FFS talk about turn coat, after that people knew they could never trust the Lib-dems again, they can't be trusted to run a bath never mind a country.
Yep, I suspect there's a lot of truth in that. I voted LibDems in 2010, but didn't really get much of what I wanted. Tuition fees was defo a low point. The raising of the income tax allowance was about the best I got out of that, the Tories indeed took that forward post coalition. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 16:59:19 GMT
How odd, imagine me agreeing with Fairsociety, but much of what he states is probaly true
One of my best friends is a member of The Lib Dems and I remember how we argued when Nick Clegg got into bed with The Tories.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 24, 2023 17:03:53 GMT
How odd, imagine me agreeing with Fairsociety, but much of what he states is probaly true One of my best friends is a member of The Lib Dems and I remember how we argued when Nick Clegg got into bed with The Tories. I'm lost for words  |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 24, 2023 17:04:31 GMT
Except nobody quite knows what they are protest voting about, except of course they don't like the present incumbents. So, it is a good idea to replace them with some new ones. That is the point of a protest vote - if you want more housing in your locality and the present incumbents are blocking it then you vote LibDem - or, if you don't want more housing in your locality and the present incumbents are pushing it through, then you vote LibDem. The purpose of the LibDems is to allow people to let off steam not have a set raft of policies that they would enact if they were in power. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 24, 2023 21:00:27 GMT
Maybe Ed should stop living in a dream world pretending he is all green and fluffy because when he gets back to Brussels the sharks will eat him and his little band of Christmas elves for lunch. While he will have to pretend it is all for the greater good, greater good.
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 24, 2023 21:07:19 GMT
For so long as we perpetuate a two-party system, with other parties allowed bit parts to maintain the illusion of plurality, it really doesn't matter what they say, unfortunately. Forty years ago, I joined the Liberals, because they seemed to be the only party talking any kind of moderate, reasonable, consensual sense. Today, little has changed. Tribal Red and Blue voters have no interest in moderate, reasonable, consensual sense. They just want their world-view imposed on everyone. fifty years ago i was looking at liberal policies and the man who would rise to lead the Welsh lib dems told me to my face he wanted the tax advantages then enjoyed by married couples destroyed. He lost all hope of me joining that day. I did join the sdp gang of four, briefly. Then i discovered Shirley William’s role in destroying the grammar school i was entitled to attend by virtue of passing the 11+ at age TEN a year early. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 24, 2023 21:09:46 GMT
He should take the Jo Swinson tactic of "I will be PM and I will take you back into Europe". Apparently, 62% of the population are so desperate to re-join the EU that they will stick their cross in the LibDem box. He will have a landslide win. i have to say IF he took that approach he would have my respect But not my vote |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 24, 2023 21:15:58 GMT
The reason the Lib Dems, the Greens and the Monster Raving Loonies are little more than fringe parties has nothing to do with FPTP or the so called two party system, which clearly it isn't. The reason they are small fringe parties is because, oddly enough, they are unpopular with the vast majority of the electorate. Who'd a thunk it. Come on ladies wake up this ain't rocket science.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 25, 2023 5:25:54 GMT
FFS It seems that the lib dems have caaught starmer disease of flip flop itus... Lib Dem leader Ed Davey refuses to rule out joining Labour in a coalition government after the next election - as one of his senior frontbenchers says the party The leader of the Liberal Democrats refused to rule out propping up a Labour government today - after one of his top lieutenants said the party still wanted to take Britain back into the EU. Sir Ed Davey, who served as a minister in the Coalition under David Cameron, swerved questions about whether he would be willing to work with Sir Keir Starmer. In a BBC interview during the Liberal Democrat Party Conference in Bournemouth he claimed he had 'fought the Conservatives all my life', claiming he stood up to them while in Government. But he warned his predecessors had been 'distracted from the task in hand' by focusing on what they would do if there was a hung parliament. It came as one of his top team appeared to go rogue over Europe. Layla Moran, who challenged Mr Davey for the leadership after the 2019 election, told a conference fringe that the party wanted Britain to rejoin the European Union. 'We want to rejoin. We want, as part of it, to get back into the Single Market,' the Telegraph reported her as saying.
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Post by dappy on Sept 25, 2023 6:16:40 GMT
The reason the Lib Dems, the Greens and the Monster Raving Loonies are little more than fringe parties has nothing to do with FPTP or the so called two party system, which clearly it isn't. The reason they are small fringe parties is because, oddly enough, they are unpopular with the vast majority of the electorate. Who'd a thunk it. Come on ladies wake up this ain't rocket science. Both the Lib Dems and Green seem to be considerably more popular with the electorate than Reform or UKIP however. |
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