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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 24, 2023 9:49:20 GMT
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Post by piglet on Sept 24, 2023 9:55:19 GMT
Get psychiatric treatment. This takes time to kick in with the right anti psychotics, if he makes it to the lecturn better than he is now, then he will get fired as leader, as the rest will think hes ill. How you treat a room full of ill people is another thing, can you turn chlorpromazine into a gas and pump it in?, It will take an older drug, they work.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 24, 2023 9:57:11 GMT
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Post by Cartertonian on Sept 24, 2023 10:05:15 GMT
For so long as we perpetuate a two-party system, with other parties allowed bit parts to maintain the illusion of plurality, it really doesn't matter what they say, unfortunately.
Forty years ago, I joined the Liberals, because they seemed to be the only party talking any kind of moderate, reasonable, consensual sense. Today, little has changed. Tribal Red and Blue voters have no interest in moderate, reasonable, consensual sense. They just want their world-view imposed on everyone.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 10:12:24 GMT
For so long as we perpetuate a two-party system, with other parties allowed bit parts to maintain the illusion of plurality, it really doesn't matter what they say, unfortunately. Forty years ago, I joined the Liberals, because they seemed to be the only party talking any kind of moderate, reasonable, consensual sense. Today, little has changed. Tribal Red and Blue voters have no interest in moderate, reasonable, consensual sense. They just want their world-view imposed on everyone. I wonder what happened to the last lib dem leader? She didn't exactly have her finger on the pulse.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 24, 2023 10:19:22 GMT
For so long as we perpetuate a two-party system, with other parties allowed bit parts to maintain the illusion of plurality, it really doesn't matter what they say, unfortunately. Forty years ago, I joined the Liberals, because they seemed to be the only party talking any kind of moderate, reasonable, consensual sense. Today, little has changed. Tribal Red and Blue voters have no interest in moderate, reasonable, consensual sense. They just want their world-view imposed on everyone. I wonder what happened to the last lib dem leader? She didn't exactly have her finger on the pulse. Jo Swinson the leader of the Lib-dems not only lost her leadership she lost her seat, because she wanted to betray democracy and Cancel Brexit, and she deserved all she got, I bet if she could turn back the clock she would realise you can not treat people with such contempt.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 10:23:41 GMT
I wonder what happened to the last lib dem leader? She didn't exactly have her finger on the pulse. Jo Swinson the leader of the Lib-dems not only lost her leadership she lost her seat, because she wanted to betray democracy and Cancel Brexit, and she deserved all she got, I bet if she could turn back the clock she would realise you can not treat people with such contempt. I am not sure even if she had enough votes to get her deposit back.
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Post by dappy on Sept 24, 2023 10:25:47 GMT
While we perpetuate the FPTP system, the Lib Dems, Greens and Reform (or one of the other similar parties) are destined to be largely protest parties with far less representation in parliament than they deserve given the voters they represent.
At the coming election, the Libs may well pick up some seats from voters repelled by the appalling record of the tories in Government. The Mid Beds by election may be a stark illustration to both Labour and the Lib Dems that fighting each other risks letting very unpopular Tories through the middle. I sense a determination in a large part of the electorate to vote tactically if necessary to kick the Tories out but Lib and Lab need to make it very clear in each seat which of them is the vehicle for facilitating this. If the vote is split, that can only benefit the Tories.
Going forward, I think there are reasons to be optimistic that the voting system may finally change to allow people of whatever political persuasion to vote for what they believe in and have a reasonable expectation that their vote may be heard. 1) While a Labour majority looks the most likely outcome, it is still a possibility that a Labour minority government is the outcome in which case I would expect unequivocal PR to be LD price for supporting Lab on key votes and allowing them to govern 2) A Labour majority would inherit an absolute mess which will be very difficult to sort out. Very likely as a result that the Lab government will become unpopular fairly quickly. May well become to Lab political advantage to move to a PR system before the 2029 election. 3) The tories look likely to indulge in a massive civil war post a losing election between their traditional "one Nation" wing and their more ideological "populist/UKIP" wing. May well be impossible to reconcile these two wings differences and hard to see a leader who cold bridge the gap. If the outcome is a split on the right, then may well be that the right in whatever form it ends up begins to advocate PR in which case surely the pressure for change would be unanswerable.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 10:28:11 GMT
To answer the thread title....Disappear up his own rectum would be a smart move. Just another traitor who will sell our democracy out given the chance.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 24, 2023 10:30:31 GMT
Jo Swinson the leader of the Lib-dems not only lost her leadership she lost her seat, because she wanted to betray democracy and Cancel Brexit, and she deserved all she got, I bet if she could turn back the clock she would realise you can not treat people with such contempt. I am not sure even if she had enough votes to get her deposit back. They never learn, Davey is just as bad as her, what gives them the arrogance to think they can overturn democracy because it's not the outcome they wanted, we do not want people in power with that stance, because it's clear they do not respect the wishes of the 'majority' who they serve, they work for us, we don't work for them.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 10:46:32 GMT
I am not sure even if she had enough votes to get her deposit back. They never learn, Davey is just as bad as her, what gives them the arrogance to think they can overturn democracy because it's not the outcome they wanted, we do not want people in power with that stance, because it's clear they do not respect the wishes of the 'majority' who they serve, they work for us, we don't work for them. He speaks with a forked tonque mate....
Lib Dem leader Ed Davey rejects election deals with Labour
What is the point of Ed Davey?
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 24, 2023 10:47:51 GMT
With the LibDems conference being held this week, it's been a year of big bye election wins for the LibDems, but they are still trundling along in the polls. What tack should Sir Ed take to give the party more standing with the electorate? Carry on as they are now - they are doing OK. The LibDems have only ever been a protest vote and they are fulfilling that purpose quite well - hence the Chesham and Amersham by-election result.
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Post by sheepy on Sept 24, 2023 10:52:55 GMT
Except nobody quite knows what they are protest voting about, except of course they don't like the present incumbents. So, it is a good idea to replace them with some new ones.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 24, 2023 10:54:50 GMT
They never learn, Davey is just as bad as her, what gives them the arrogance to think they can overturn democracy because it's not the outcome they wanted, we do not want people in power with that stance, because it's clear they do not respect the wishes of the 'majority' who they serve, they work for us, we don't work for them. He speaks with a forked tonque mate....
Lib Dem leader Ed Davey rejects election deals with Labour
What is the point of Ed Davey?
LOL.... there is no point to Ed Davey
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 13:06:15 GMT
He should take the Jo Swinson tactic of "I will be PM and I will take you back into Europe". Apparently, 62% of the population are so desperate to re-join the EU that they will stick their cross in the LibDem box. He will have a landslide win.
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