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Post by zanygame on Sept 30, 2023 18:58:46 GMT
Fool, we're not talking about cost we're talking about convenience and speed. Fool, of course we are talking about cost ..
Nowhere has that been more evident than Euston station itself, where the estimated HS2 bill has ballooned to nearly £5bn, mired in indecision and uncertainty, according to the National Audit Office
Then by your measure HS2 is far better as it costs far more. Can you remember you said. Fool, the most expensive cars on/off the road today are vintage, and if you are on about horse drawn carriages, the Royals have priceless carriages worth more than any vehicles on the road today |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 30, 2023 19:05:20 GMT
Good point, Victorian engineering.
And surely the longer we leave it to update the harder it becomes.
Britain paired with Bolivia. Fool, of course we are talking about cost ..
Nowhere has that been more evident than Euston station itself, where the estimated HS2 bill has ballooned to nearly £5bn, mired in indecision and uncertainty, according to the National Audit Office
Then by your measure HS2 is far better as it costs far more. Can you remember you said. Fool, the most expensive cars on/off the road today are vintage, and if you are on about horse drawn carriages, the Royals have priceless carriages worth more than any vehicles on the road today I was responding to you suggesting that the days of 'steam age' were gone, I just highlighted that they are big money spinners in the UK tourist economy. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 30, 2023 19:46:50 GMT
Wonder why we still have Victorian engineering and the rest of the EU doesn't.
And surely the longer we leave it to update the harder it becomes.
Britain paired with Bolivia. Then by your measure HS2 is far better as it costs far more. Can you remember you said. Fool, the most expensive cars on/off the road today are vintage, and if you are on about horse drawn carriages, the Royals have priceless carriages worth more than any vehicles on the road today I was responding to you suggesting that the days of 'steam age' were gone, I just highlighted that they are big money spinners in the UK tourist economy. Then you entirely missed the point. The days of steam are gone. We love them from yesteryear. No one is building commercial steam trains, they are an entertainment. We should not be so far behind Europe who's roads are far better along with their railways. WHY ?? |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 30, 2023 20:56:16 GMT
well we flattened most of their victorian engineering around 1943-44 Gosh when did we flatten Belgium? We flattened every significant railway infrastructure across europe... ..you dont think we only bombed Germany do you?  |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 30, 2023 21:03:00 GMT
Gosh when did we flatten Belgium? We flattened every significant railway infrastructure across europe... ..you dont think we only bombed Germany do you? We did not flatten entire lengths of railway line. They were not all replaced because of the war. That is wrong. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 30, 2023 21:07:51 GMT
Bombing railways was only a temporary solution. They are relatively easily repaired. Even after the bombing of Dresden railways were back in operation within 72 hours and troop transports resumed to the Eastern front. Source: www.amazon.de/Dresden-Tuesday-13-February-1945/dp/0747570841Well worth reading.
This incidentally is one of the reasons why the RAF declined to bomb the railway line(s) to Auschwitz.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 30, 2023 21:17:30 GMT
We flattened every significant railway infrastructure across europe... ..you dont think we only bombed Germany do you? We did not flatten entire lengths of railway line. They were not all replaced because of the war. That is wrong. You dont have to destroy an entire railway line - just a bridge, tunnel or set of points to put it out of action. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 30, 2023 21:42:58 GMT
Bombing railways was only a temporary solution. They are relatively easily repaired. Even after the bombing of Dresden railways were back in operation within 72 hours and troop transports resumed to the Eastern front. Source: www.amazon.de/Dresden-Tuesday-13-February-1945/dp/0747570841Well worth reading.
This incidentally is one of the reasons why the RAF declined to bomb the railway line(s) to Auschwitz.
If I remember correctly Dan you have also read John Keanan's history of the second world war? |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 30, 2023 21:49:28 GMT
We did not flatten entire lengths of railway line. They were not all replaced because of the war. That is wrong. You dont have to destroy an entire railway line - just a bridge, tunnel or set of points to put it out of action. Yes, but that also didn't make Belgium to replace its whole railway system. To remind you, we are talking about why Britain in 2023 (78 years after the war ended) has such poor rail and road systems compared to Europe. So far the argument is that ours wasn't destroyed in WW2 so we kept it. Comedy. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 30, 2023 22:03:37 GMT
You dont have to destroy an entire railway line - just a bridge, tunnel or set of points to put it out of action. Yes, but that also didn't make Belgium to replace its whole railway system. To remind you, we are talking about why Britain in 2023 (78 years after the war ended) has such poor rail and road systems compared to Europe. So far the argument is that ours wasn't destroyed in WW2 so we kept it. Comedy. You think that Belgium was not bombed in WW2 - get a grip mate.. Our rail infrastructure was not designed to take roro trains when it was built in the 1800's - this might be a disappointment but it is a fact and you have to live with it. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 30, 2023 22:18:42 GMT
Yes, but that also didn't make Belgium to replace its whole railway system. To remind you, we are talking about why Britain in 2023 (78 years after the war ended) has such poor rail and road systems compared to Europe. So far the argument is that ours wasn't destroyed in WW2 so we kept it. Comedy. You think that Belgium was not bombed in WW2 - get a grip mate.. Our rail infrastructure was not designed to take roro trains when it was built in the 1800's - this might be a disappointment but it is a fact and you have to live with it. Look up the word 'yes' it doesn't mean what you think. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 1, 2023 5:10:21 GMT
Good point, Victorian engineering. Wonder why we still have Victorian engineering and the rest of the EU doesn't. And surely the longer we leave it to update the harder it becomes. Britain paired with Bolivia. Most of the European rail network was rebuilt during the 1950's, cant think why... |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 1, 2023 6:58:23 GMT
Wonder why we still have Victorian engineering and the rest of the EU doesn't. And surely the longer we leave it to update the harder it becomes. Britain paired with Bolivia. Most of the European rail network was rebuilt during the 1950's, cant think why... Wonder why that was - there was nothing wrong with the Bielefeld viaduct...  |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 1, 2023 7:10:30 GMT
Wonder why we still have Victorian engineering and the rest of the EU doesn't. And surely the longer we leave it to update the harder it becomes. Britain paired with Bolivia. Most of the European rail network was rebuilt during the 1950's, cant think why... Was it? Want to back up that claim? Most of ours was removed in the 1960's. Meanwhile most high speed rail links in Europe were built in the 1980's. It wasn't until the 1990's that these were linked between countries with intra-national corridors. We of course 33 years later are still arguing about whether to do it inside the UK. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 1, 2023 7:18:45 GMT
Most of the European rail network was rebuilt during the 1950's, cant think why... Wonder why that was - there was nothing wrong with the Bielefeld viaduct... I'm curious. Why did they replace all 250 miles of the railway instead of just the viaduct? |
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