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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 10:47:13 GMT
Speak for yourself, Thomas. You're the one trying to hijack the history of this island whilst claiming it to be Scottish history. The fact that you ignore what other Scottish people are telling you only sums up your desperation. I stand by my claim that no credible university would spout the BS you're relying on. In fact, I doubt you even looked into it. Stick to spamming memes for your regime of anti-English bigots. i am speaking for myself .
Eh? Making up yet more guff in desperation b4 ?
sandy and me were having a civilised discussion about stuff you appear to be ignorant of , or constantly whining about being anti english . There are three scots engaging in this thread , and two of us appear to disagree with sandy.
As for the rest of your post , its barely worth the effort of replying to.
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 10:58:13 GMT
There's absolutely nothing wrong with teaching Scottish history as long as it's made clear to the bairns on the receiving end that in the grand scheme of things it's about as important on a European level as Moldovan history. Scottish issues are just that, Scottish. Nobody else gives a fuck. i get dan why your timid british sensibilities are all hurt and offended about scottish history. Thats par for the course with some british nationalists , and going off into denial about its existence is a common trait among them. We saw the same thing happen in ireland , or india for example. Trying to stop education , burning schools and books , attempts at erasing irish or indian history , that sort of thing. Standard brit empire stuff.
I dont get your aversion to celtic studies though. People engage in celtic studies all over europe , and while scotland ireland wales , along with brittany cornwall and the isle of man are all regarded as the modern inheritors of the celtic language and culture , the celts were spread across europe from portugal , spain germany italy over to bulgaria and turkey , and celtic studies is fairly popualr in many countries.
Further , the snp and modern scottish naitonalist movment arent celtic in nature the way for example plaid cymru in wales , or sinn fein are. The celtic nationalists within the snp , siol nan gaidheal , were booted out the party years ago. So your reaction is a bit of a strange one.
Thanks for your approval dan , but to us scots , we dont need to announce loudly the importance of teaching our countires history , merely whisper it in confidence.
Why would they give a fuck , and who is suggesting they are? The same can be said of many nations and those nations history. You dont expect foreigners to be concerned about your wee countries history do you? Its a bit like family history and the family tree dan , its important to the people in the family , but no one else.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2023 11:01:33 GMT
Yes, it is most inconvenient that English people are permitted to criticise the political indoctrination of children in Scotland. An agenda to promote fiction and anti-English sentiment to benefit a bunch of child-grooming fascists in the SNP, which, as already mentioned, is a party who wants to give 16 year olds the vote. Of course, such a thing as criticism would not be allowed in the Scottish Reich you call a parliament, because criticism leads to termination as is the case under the totalitarian Scottish government.
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 11:02:56 GMT
There's absolutely nothing wrong with teaching Scottish history as long as it's made clear to the bairns on the receiving end that in the grand scheme of things it's about as important on a European level as Moldovan history. Scottish issues are just that, Scottish. Nobody else gives a fuck. Now you accept that Scottish history exists and that it should be taught, what was your problem? "The thinnest book in the world" has many more, very interesting pages, than you have any idea about. In addition to T mentioning Glasgow University's Scottish history degree course, and me pointing you to Dundee University's online Masters course, I also bring into evidence that most anglified of Scottish Universities, St Andrews. It offers students an MA (Hons) degree in Scottish History. And we don't give a fuck that nobody else cares (if that is the case and not one of your rather forlorn hopes). But people maybe do care: the countries that the dispossessed were forced to migrate to. The many Northern European countries which traded with Scotland, the auld alliance and so on. Now Scotland maybe but a footnote in any history taught in foreign climes but those footnotes exist. It is the teaching of English History in Scotland, to the extent it is that annoys me. I accept that our paths crossed numerous times but, to take a rather innocuous example - The 6 wives of Henry VIII: Why should it be so important to know who the women were. It is not our history, yet we were taught about them. dan dare , who spends and extraordinary amount of time preaching in the scottish section on this forum and getting angry about all things scottish including our countires history , now telling us no one gives a fuck about scotland or our countires history.
As patman says up the thread it the way they tell em.
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 11:04:07 GMT
Yes, it is most inconvenient that English people are permitted to criticise the political indoctrination of children in Scotland. An agenda to promote fiction and anti-English sentiment to benefit a bunch of child-grooming fascists in the SNP, which, as already mentioned, is a party who wants to give 16 year olds the vote. Of course, such a thing as criticism would not be allowed in the Scottish Reich you call a parliament, because criticism leads to termination as is the case under the totalitarian Scottish government.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2023 11:22:12 GMT
dan dare , who spends and extraordinary amount of time preaching in the scottish section on this forum and getting angry about all things scottish including our countires history , now telling us no one gives a fuck about scotland or our countires history.
As patman says up the thread it the way they tell em.
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Post by om15 on Oct 1, 2023 11:22:13 GMT
Civilised society teach their children Greek and Roman history and literature, this is to broaden their minds and let them form opinions and thoughts based on the experiences of others.
The fact that Scottish education focuses on purely Scottish matters denies their children this open minded and world view of events. This will result in Scottish children being insular, bigoted, narrow minded and sectarian, this being the objective of the SNP of course.
I'm surprised that you and Tommo can't see that.
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 11:31:19 GMT
Civilised society teach their children Greek and Roman history and literature, this is to broaden their minds and let them form opinions and thoughts based on the experiences of others. The fact that Scottish education focuses on purely Scottish matters denies their children this open minded and world view of events. This will result in Scottish children being insular, bigoted, narrow minded and sectarian, this being the objective of the SNP of course. I'm surprised that you and Tommo can't see that. we were taught classical studies in my school in west central scotland om , so what are you gibbering about now?
you are making things up once agin. If you remeber our initial interaction , myself and morayloon were telling you how little scottish history we were taught in school in scotland , while you claimed the opposite. Can you prove scottish education focuses purely on scottish matters, or shall we merely accept yet agin this is something you are making up to feel outraged about?
says the man whose country voted to leave a union of 28 fellow european nations because of two world wars , a world cup and agincourt . That boat sailed many years ago ommy , regarding trying to portray scots as insular backward nationalists , when the world sees you and your country in that vein.
I have no idea what you mean by sectarian.Sectarianism is a british disease , encouraged past and present by your political parties and elite.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2023 12:24:11 GMT
And this is the guy promoting SNP indoctrination in schools. Jesus wept.
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 12:35:10 GMT
Sometimes certain posters attempts at hitting the buttons on the keyboard result in posts of such a low calibre its almost impossible to take the content serious.
I take all of it back ommy. I once said you and vinny had set the bar low on this forum , but no one could surpass b4.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2023 12:40:46 GMT
Sometimes certain posters attempts at hitting the buttons on the keyboard result in posts of such a low calibre its almost impossible to take the content serious.
I take all of it back ommy. I once said you and vinny had set the bar low on this forum , but no one could surpass b4.
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 12:46:32 GMT
Sometimes certain posters attempts at hitting the buttons on the keyboard result in posts of such a low calibre its almost impossible to take the content serious.
I take all of it back ommy. I once said you and vinny had set the bar low on this forum , but no one could surpass b4.
Who are you to judge? I think your posts are ridiculous, and full of the sort of bullshit you have just posted. you sound like a whinging crybaby who doesnt have a clue about scotland such is the chip on your anglo saxon shoulder .For example , you said up the thread the snp are a party who want to give 16 year olds the vote.
are you that fucking stupid you dont even realise 16 years olds have the vote in scotland and have done for years?
I dont need to judge you or ridicule you b4. You are more than capable of doing that every time you post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2023 12:53:03 GMT
You're obviously uninterested in the topic and only here to shout people down for criticising your bigoted regime. The thing is, Thomas, you're so beneath even the basic level of decency that anything you say doesn't even tickle my furs. The fact that you're constantly attacking the members on this forum who disagree with you demonstrates that you crapped out on civilisation. Poor you, but at the end of the day this isn't even about you, it's about what people like you will do, without a genuine care for the wellbeing of children, to get what they want.
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2023 13:10:48 GMT
You're obviously uninterested in the topic and only here to shout people down for criticising your bigoted regime. The thing is, Thomas, you're so beneath even the basic level of decency that anything you say doesn't even tickle my furs. The fact that you're constantly attacking the members on this forum who disagree with you demonstrates that you crapped out on civilisation. Poor you, but at the end of the day this isn't even about you, it's about what people like you will do, without a genuine care for the wellbeing of children, to get what they want. because you claim something in that deluded fantasy universe that you inhabit doesnt make it true.
ive made many in depth posts throughout the thread , backed up with factual evidence , while you make stupid claims after stupid claims like the snp wanting to give 16 years olds the vote remark withouth checking facts. Such is your stupidity.
when a british nationalist tells me he doesnt like me , i wear it like a badge of honour.
see this is typical of your temper tantrums and idiotic posting. No attempt to discuss the topic , all through the thread you attack the man not the subject at hand and then cry when it is returned back to you.
this thread is about scottish history being taught in scottish schools. You appear upset about that fact , and seem to want it stopped , and now throw in some empty claim about caring about the well being of scottish schoolchildren , as though you are some caring brit nationalist only thinking of the best for scots children as though anyone take you serious.
The majority of scots trust the scottish government and parliament over your uk government on many matters including education.
Survey shows high levels of trust in Scottish Government
The latest Scottish Social Attitudes Survey shows public trust in the Scottish Government to act in Scotland’s best interests at more than four times as high as trust in the UK Government.
61% of people trusted the Scottish Government to work in Scotland’s best interests, compared with a record low of 15% for the UK Government
73% of people thought the Scottish Government ought to have the most influence over how the country is run, compared with 15% for the UK Government
so clearly , contrary to your continued bleating about the nasty snp government brainwashing kids in school , the majority of scottish parents and the wider electorate trust them on matters such as education far more then they do your government , and as ever , you talk nonsensical rubbish that doesnt bare ant resemblance to reality.
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Post by om15 on Oct 1, 2023 13:12:52 GMT
Does it occur to you that your current malaises might be due to that perhaps?
The SNP are a busted flush, the leaders discredited and facing police enquires, every single thing the SNP are responsible for has collapsed, education, transport, welfare, health and business and your seething unpleasant SNP MPs in Westminster a subject of mockery and distaste.
After the next election there will be a largely Unionist supporting party in Holyrood and in Westminster, the people of Scotland will be able to breath easily once again.
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