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Post by morayloon on Sept 21, 2023 12:57:22 GMT
Found guilty of it at trial. Rightly hung drawn and quartered for treason. Evil murderous twat Wallace was. And you speak of English aggression? What English aggression? Scotland invited the English King to come in and prevent civil war. Wallace was a thug, a warlord a traitor, a murderer, a piece of shit. Wallace was a freedom fighter who jointly led the resistance, with Andrew de Moray, against English aggression and the invasion of the sovereign State of Scotland. Edward was not invited in. He was asked to mediate between the rivals claiming the throne. Saying that Wallace was a traitor is no different to saying that Germans killing people in the invaded countries, was legitimate. Edward's forces invaded Scotland, fact! Wallace is a national hero because of his leadership in the fight against English domination
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Post by Vinny on Sept 21, 2023 13:31:01 GMT
Wallace was a kunt. A murderer.
England was invited into Scotland which was on the brink of civil war. Wallace pushed it into war. He was a traitor and rightly convicted and sentenced for it.
Anyway, the past is the past. The present is the present. We're all British now, fellow Brit.
Abolish devolution.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 21, 2023 13:32:34 GMT
Oh and you never answered my question about muscle cars the other day, I really like them. Do you?
I also like motorbikes. Are you a biker?
Lots of good biker spots near Elgin.
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Post by om15 on Sept 21, 2023 13:35:47 GMT
The syllabus revolved around the Covenanters and other Scottish events, I don't recall anything which I subsequently found to be inaccurate, (which is why I didn't say that). The syllabus was interesting but lacked international content.
If you doubt that I attended this school on the dates that I have given you, kindly demonstrate that I didn't by researching class records, or stop making stupid snide comments.
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Post by morayloon on Sept 21, 2023 13:49:15 GMT
The syllabus revolved around the Covenanters and other Scottish events, I don't recall anything which I subsequently found to be inaccurate, (which is why I didn't say that). The syllabus was interesting but lacked international content. If you doubt that I attended this school on the dates that I have given you, kindly demonstrate that I didn't by researching class records, or stop making stupid snide comments. And what about the Covenanters was wrongly taught to you? I still don't accept that Scottish history was taught in the 60s. I went to school in the 60s. I spent all my scholastic years in the Scottish education and I do not remember Scottish history being provided as a subject.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 21, 2023 14:03:48 GMT
Scottish history is a history of sordid characters, dictators, warlords, thieves and slavers. Best do as the Germans do and look back in shame.
Racist SNAT Scotland is a wistful xenophobic nod to the past, but the UK is the future.
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Post by om15 on Sept 21, 2023 14:15:22 GMT
That may be why you fail to give us accurate clarification about William Wallace. The romantic nationalist script is all very well to sell films in Hollywood, but he is hardly a significant figure in the scheme of things.
You would be far better holding the man who invented the telephone in such reverence.
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Post by Ripley on Sept 21, 2023 15:37:37 GMT
Scottish history is a history of sordid characters, dictators, warlords, thieves and slavers. Best do as the Germans do and look back in shame. Racist SNAT Scotland is a wistful xenophobic nod to the past, but the UK is the future. If your objective is to persuade the Scots that "We're all British now, fellow Brit," denigrating their national heroes and shaming their history doesn't seem like a winning strategy. For one thing, it invites comparison to Britain's own, no less colourfully sordid history. What you can't seem to accept is that the Scots are a separate people. Your opinion of their history is largely irrelevant. They know who they are, and shaming them and their heroes has the effect of water off a duck's back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2023 16:02:46 GMT
The caller said, " I had to take her out because all she was fed was William Wallace, Braveheart, freedom – everything that’s good about Scotland.” “Everything that was bad about Scotland was down to the English and that’s all she was fed.” So, the education system indoctrinates the Jocks in victim-hood against the nasty Inglish, and the SNP try and get 16-17 year olds to vote. Shame on those for politically weaponising the education of children to vote the way the bravehearts want. It's a very sick and depraved engineered culture built on hate.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 21, 2023 16:04:57 GMT
Cry me a river.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2023 16:15:20 GMT
Wallace is a national hero because of his leadership in the fight against English domination What, in the 1300s? Only a desperate lowlife would indoctrinate kids into hating other kids over it.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 21, 2023 18:24:35 GMT
The politics of the SNATs is fucking racism based on William Wallace era bullshit.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 21, 2023 19:50:53 GMT
The caller said, " I had to take her out because all she was fed was William Wallace, Braveheart, freedom – everything that’s good about Scotland.” “Everything that was bad about Scotland was down to the English and that’s all she was fed.” So, the education system indoctrinates the Jocks in victim-hood against the nasty Inglish, and the SNP try and get 16-17 year olds to vote. Shame on those for politically weaponising the education of children to vote the way the bravehearts want. The caller was talking bollocks. The National 5 and Higher exams cover various topics. www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/z2phvcw https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/zxpfb9qAnd, you're talking bollocks. Learning about your country's history is not indoctrination. The Wars of Independence is an important topic in Scottish history. Not to learn about Wallace, the traitors who were behind his capture and his eventual murder at the hands of the English would be doing a disservice to our youngsters. Not to learn about Bruce & Bannockburn would be a complete nonsense. Not to learn about Darien and how the English deliberately failed to help the Scottish colonists would be ridiculous. Not to learn about how we were sold down the river, by a majority of the upper classes would be lunacy. The treachery caused rioting throughout the country. Not to learn about the fact that we were not natural allies of the English would be crazy. In 1295 a Treaty was signed with the French which remained in place for a few centuries Better to have a real knowledge of ones country's past than to be inundated with foreign, English/British, propaganda. I remember, as an eleven year old schoolboy, being asked what book I would like as a prize. I immediately responded with 'one on Scottish history'. I was given a book about Gordon of Khartoum. Needless to say I threw it away at the first opportunity I do not remember much Scottish history being taught in school, all those years ago. We learned about 1066 and the Magna Carta but nothing about Stirling Bridge nor the Declaration of Arbroath. What should be taught is the Insurrection of 1820; John Maclean, Red Clydeside and the tanks in George Square in 1919. The wholesale slaughter carried out by British soldiers after Culloden. The Highland clearances, the Duke of Sutherland and his henchman Patrick Sellar Certainly at primary school it was all Scottish history, more so becasue we were taught in the Stirling Educational area so Bannockburn, Stirling Bridge, Sheriffmuir, Falkirk and Sauchiburn were all close at hand. The Castles of Stirling and Edinburgh were of course often visited (and the Wallace Monument) and that grounded the history. I did not really do history at secondary school which seemed to be mainly European 19th century. There has always been a certain bias in Scotland as regards England, and my mother is English, so the teaching of history is no stranger to that bias. Just a thought Gordon of Khartoum was a descendant of part of the Sottish diaspora from his great grandfather who was a Captain in the army born in Scotland.
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Post by morayloon on Sept 21, 2023 21:29:29 GMT
The caller was talking bollocks. The National 5 and Higher exams cover various topics. www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/z2phvcw https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/zxpfb9qAnd, you're talking bollocks. Learning about your country's history is not indoctrination. The Wars of Independence is an important topic in Scottish history. Not to learn about Wallace, the traitors who were behind his capture and his eventual murder at the hands of the English would be doing a disservice to our youngsters. Not to learn about Bruce & Bannockburn would be a complete nonsense. Not to learn about Darien and how the English deliberately failed to help the Scottish colonists would be ridiculous. Not to learn about how we were sold down the river, by a majority of the upper classes would be lunacy. The treachery caused rioting throughout the country. Not to learn about the fact that we were not natural allies of the English would be crazy. In 1295 a Treaty was signed with the French which remained in place for a few centuries Better to have a real knowledge of ones country's past than to be inundated with foreign, English/British, propaganda. I remember, as an eleven year old schoolboy, being asked what book I would like as a prize. I immediately responded with 'one on Scottish history'. I was given a book about Gordon of Khartoum. Needless to say I threw it away at the first opportunity I do not remember much Scottish history being taught in school, all those years ago. We learned about 1066 and the Magna Carta but nothing about Stirling Bridge nor the Declaration of Arbroath. What should be taught is the Insurrection of 1820; John Maclean, Red Clydeside and the tanks in George Square in 1919. The wholesale slaughter carried out by British soldiers after Culloden. The Highland clearances, the Duke of Sutherland and his henchman Patrick Sellar Certainly at primary school it was all Scottish history, more so becasue we were taught in the Stirling Educational area so Bannockburn, Stirling Bridge, Sheriffmuir, Falkirk and Sauchiburn were all close at hand. The Castles of Stirling and Edinburgh were of course often visited (and the Wallace Monument) and that grounded the history. I did not really do history at secondary school which seemed to be mainly European 19th century. There has always been a certain bias in Scotland as regards England, and my mother is English, so the teaching of history is no stranger to that bias. Just a thought Gordon of Khartoum was a descendant of part of the Sottish diaspora from his great grandfather who was a Captain in the army born in Scotland. In what way do you mean 'bias'. Scottish history is full of aggression from the English. Just as French history is full of aggression from the English. Being taught that is not being anti-English it is being taught what actually happened. Throughout history England was a very belligerent country. However I have to admit that at times the Scots invaded England e.g. James IVs cross border incursion which ended in his death and the army's defeat at Flodden. Interesting that you were taught a lot of our history when we, in Moray, certainly weren't. Out of interest, when were you in primary school?
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 22, 2023 2:57:25 GMT
The caller said, " I had to take her out because all she was fed was William Wallace, Braveheart, freedom – everything that’s good about Scotland.” “Everything that was bad about Scotland was down to the English and that’s all she was fed.” So, the education system indoctrinates the Jocks in victim-hood against the nasty Inglish, and the SNP try and get 16-17 year olds to vote. Shame on those for politically weaponising the education of children to vote the way the bravehearts want. The caller was talking bollocks. The National 5 and Higher exams cover various topics. www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/z2phvcw https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/zxpfb9qAnd, you're talking bollocks. Learning about your country's history is not indoctrination. The Wars of Independence is an important topic in Scottish history. Not to learn about Wallace, the traitors who were behind his capture and his eventual murder at the hands of the English would be doing a disservice to our youngsters. Not to learn about Bruce & Bannockburn would be a complete nonsense. Not to learn about Darien and how the English deliberately failed to help the Scottish colonists would be ridiculous. Not to learn about how we were sold down the river, by a majority of the upper classes would be lunacy. The treachery caused rioting throughout the country. Not to learn about the fact that we were not natural allies of the English would be crazy. In 1295 a Treaty was signed with the French which remained in place for a few centuries Better to have a real knowledge of ones country's past than to be inundated with foreign, English/British, propaganda. I remember, as an eleven year old schoolboy, being asked what book I would like as a prize. I immediately responded with 'one on Scottish history'. I was given a book about Gordon of Khartoum. Needless to say I threw it away at the first opportunity I do not remember much Scottish history being taught in school, all those years ago. We learned about 1066 and the Magna Carta but nothing about Stirling Bridge nor the Declaration of Arbroath. What should be taught is the Insurrection of 1820; John Maclean, Red Clydeside and the tanks in George Square in 1919. The wholesale slaughter carried out by British soldiers after Culloden. The Highland clearances, the Duke of Sutherland and his henchman Patrick Sellar You appear to have a very insular dare I say bitter appreciation of history. I went to mainstream schools in the 1960's and early 70's, "in England". I didn't realise until I was older that many aspects of history were left out of the curriculum, although I do remember a topic on the Highland clearances, a sad episode in history for sure and it was probably sugar coated, but we were taught about it. My most enduring memory of history is of Vikings and Romans. The bit where they invaded and took us as slaves was of course missed out. The fact is most countries have a dark history, which is why back in the 1960's I got the sugar coated version. As I got older I learned and read more about history than I was ever taught at school. The problem is todays kids leave school brainwashed with this lefty ideology, this 21st century left wing mindset that says the English are evil which is of course bullshit, but if that's what kids are taught that is what they will belive. Until they are older and wise up.
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