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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 20:40:54 GMT
ive already said i wont be voting for any labour party so not sure what your point is sheepwash. im not staying home either. My point is we aren't playing the game, what they do from now on is on their own heads, we know what they are doing, having no part in it, is the wisest choice when the backlash arrives. i know what your point is. not voting ,to me is madness. Tony blair and his new labour thrived on voter apathy and low turnouts. dont give into apathy , but get out and vote against starmer . |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 23, 2023 20:44:28 GMT
My point is we aren't playing the game, what they do from now on is on their own heads, we know what they are doing, having no part in it, is the wisest choice when the backlash arrives. i know what your point is. not voting ,to me is madness. Tony blair and his new labour thrived on voter apathy and low turnouts. dont give into apathy , but get out and vote against starmer . Don't be so mad, they have stitched it up between them, which you were told 2 years ago they were going to do, voting for the same thing is complete madness. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 20:44:29 GMT
ive already said i wont be voting for any labour party so not sure what your point is sheepwash. im not staying home either. My point is we aren't playing the game, what they do from now on is on their own heads, we know what they are doing, having no part in it, is the wisest choice when the backlash arrives. Sunak might just pull it off and get the Tories a majority next year . If we get a Labour or a lib/ lab government then we will move towards the EU. I see any backlash here . |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 23, 2023 21:10:36 GMT
Yes, but we are not going to rejoin the EU any time soon - even the LibDems admit that rejoin is now off the table. Therefore Scottish Independence is quite plausible before the UK gets around to starting a conversation about rejoin. Sir Starmer has already laid the groundwork, without the Scots votes he will never get there. But it's not going to happen - the Scots are irrelevant. The Withdrawel agreement , Sunaks Northern Ireland Deal, a possible deal on Frontex, a deal on music bands touring, even if Starmer gets his dynamic alignment... each new agreement will make it harder to to join the EU. The problem the EU rejoin crowd has is that if these side agreements keep getting made (which they will) then full rejoin makes less and less sense for any politician. What is the point of opening a debate where the UK are split 50/50, with deep divisions, which even if you win will not change much? If you win nothing significant changes and if you lose you have wasted all that political capital for nothing. Hence even the Libdems backing away from the argument. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 23, 2023 21:19:32 GMT
Sir Starmer has already laid the groundwork, without the Scots votes he will never get there. But it's not going to happen - the Scots are irrelevant. The Withdrawel agreement , Sunaks Northern Ireland Deal, a possible deal on Frontex, a deal on music bands touring, even if Starmer gets his dynamic alignment... each new agreement will make it harder to to join the EU. The problem the EU rejoin crowd has is that if these side agreements keep getting made (which they will) then full rejoin makes less and less sense for any politician. What is the point of opening a debate where the UK are split 50/50, with deep divisions, which even if you win will not change much? If you win nothing significant changes and if you lose you have wasted all that political capital for nothing. Hence even the Libdems backing away from the argument. Until they get to the stage when they say we are so close no point in being half and half, we are either in or out, the Scots are very relevant if they are happy with Starmers next ploy it rids them of the nationalists and gives them them back the EU. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 21:21:09 GMT
But it's not going to happen - the Scots are irrelevant. The Withdrawel agreement , Sunaks Northern Ireland Deal, a possible deal on Frontex, a deal on music bands touring, even if Starmer gets his dynamic alignment... each new agreement will make it harder to to join the EU. The problem the EU rejoin crowd has is that if these side agreements keep getting made (which they will) then full rejoin makes less and less sense for any politician. What is the point of opening a debate where the UK are split 50/50, with deep divisions, which even if you win will not change much? If you win nothing significant changes and if you lose you have wasted all that political capital for nothing. Hence even the Libdems backing away from the argument. Until they get to the stage when they say we are so close no point in being half and half, we are either in or out, the Scots are very relevant if they are happy with Starmers next ploy it rids them of the nationalists and gives them them back the EU. Exactly . |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 23, 2023 21:31:48 GMT
But it's not going to happen - the Scots are irrelevant. The Withdrawel agreement , Sunaks Northern Ireland Deal, a possible deal on Frontex, a deal on music bands touring, even if Starmer gets his dynamic alignment... each new agreement will make it harder to to join the EU. The problem the EU rejoin crowd has is that if these side agreements keep getting made (which they will) then full rejoin makes less and less sense for any politician. What is the point of opening a debate where the UK are split 50/50, with deep divisions, which even if you win will not change much? If you win nothing significant changes and if you lose you have wasted all that political capital for nothing. Hence even the Libdems backing away from the argument. Until they get to the stage when they say we are so close no point in being half and half, we are either in or out, the Scots are very relevant if they are happy with Starmers next ploy it rids them of the nationalists and gives them them back the EU. If they dont say that now they are never going to pick a fight when nothing much will change. |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 23, 2023 22:02:13 GMT
More chicken-shittery from the voice of what has to be the most cowardly and ineffectual independence movement in human history. darling you raise lame point after point and demand armed rebellion on an interwebby forum , and come out with endless empty one liners that are about as funny as a fucking hole in the heart mate. I hope the brexiters pump you once again mate.
told you that before , many many times. Your pro eu movement lost any credibility with your anti democratic antics post 2016 to 2019 , at least we accepted demcoracy in 2014 and the result was implemented .
the biggest fucking crybabies in human history calling other ineffectual is laughable.
sneering middle class tosspots who cant handle it when folk dont vote how they demand. twos up .
Serious question, Toejam: Are Scots nats the meekest, most snivelling, most cowardly ‘oppressed’ people in history? You keep telling us how you’re ‘imprisoned’ in Britain against your will. But what have you done about it? Can't you find a single Scottish Gandhi or Michael Collins? How about a Glaswegian Moses to lead your people out of bondage? No? Nothing? You have to be the most ineffectual independence group in the history of mankind. And the layer of chicken shit you've spread over your country deepens every day. Bawk! Bawk! There's no point dealing with the rest of your post - you'll have u-turned again by tomorrow morning. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 8:23:27 GMT
^^ I had to like that post by Darling. It just made my Sunday morning a good laugh. ^^
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Post by Bentley on Sept 24, 2023 8:25:36 GMT
darling you raise lame point after point and demand armed rebellion on an interwebby forum , and come out with endless empty one liners that are about as funny as a fucking hole in the heart mate. I hope the brexiters pump you once again mate.
told you that before , many many times. Your pro eu movement lost any credibility with your anti democratic antics post 2016 to 2019 , at least we accepted demcoracy in 2014 and the result was implemented .
the biggest fucking crybabies in human history calling other ineffectual is laughable.
sneering middle class tosspots who cant handle it when folk dont vote how they demand. twos up .
Serious question, Toejam: Are Scots nats the meekest, most snivelling, most cowardly ‘oppressed’ people in history? You keep telling us how you’re ‘imprisoned’ in Britain against your will. But what have you done about it? Can't you find a single Scottish Gandhi or Michael Collins? How about a Glaswegian Moses to lead your people out of bondage? No? Nothing? You have to be the most ineffectual independence group in the history of mankind. And the layer of chicken shit you've spread over your country deepens every day. Bawk! Bawk! There's no point dealing with the rest of your post - you'll have u-turned again by tomorrow morning. I’ve never thought of it like that . That’s undoubtedly true . |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 24, 2023 9:17:03 GMT
They're pretty thick aren't they.
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 24, 2023 9:18:09 GMT
darling you raise lame point after point and demand armed rebellion on an interwebby forum , and come out with endless empty one liners that are about as funny as a fucking hole in the heart mate. I hope the brexiters pump you once again mate.
told you that before , many many times. Your pro eu movement lost any credibility with your anti democratic antics post 2016 to 2019 , at least we accepted demcoracy in 2014 and the result was implemented .
the biggest fucking crybabies in human history calling other ineffectual is laughable.
sneering middle class tosspots who cant handle it when folk dont vote how they demand. twos up .
Serious question, Toejam: Are Scots nats the meekest, most snivelling, most cowardly ‘oppressed’ people in history? You keep telling us how you’re ‘imprisoned’ in Britain against your will. But what have you done about it? Can't you find a single Scottish Gandhi or Michael Collins? How about a Glaswegian Moses to lead your people out of bondage? No? Nothing? You have to be the most ineffectual independence group in the history of mankind. And the layer of chicken shit you've spread over your country deepens every day. Bawk! Bawk! There's no point dealing with the rest of your post - you'll have u-turned again by tomorrow morning. Swap Scots nats for rejoiners and there's no difference. |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 24, 2023 9:21:31 GMT
Serious question, Toejam: Are Scots nats the meekest, most snivelling, most cowardly ‘oppressed’ people in history? You keep telling us how you’re ‘imprisoned’ in Britain against your will. But what have you done about it? Can't you find a single Scottish Gandhi or Michael Collins? How about a Glaswegian Moses to lead your people out of bondage? No? Nothing? You have to be the most ineffectual independence group in the history of mankind. And the layer of chicken shit you've spread over your country deepens every day. Bawk! Bawk! There's no point dealing with the rest of your post - you'll have u-turned again by tomorrow morning. Swap Scots nats for rejoiners and there's no difference. Except Rejoiners don't claim to be oppressed by a foreign power, or prisoners in their own country. If they were, they'd be doing a hell of a lot more than Toejam's chicken-shit brigade. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 24, 2023 9:42:10 GMT
darling you raise lame point after point and demand armed rebellion on an interwebby forum , and come out with endless empty one liners that are about as funny as a fucking hole in the heart mate. I hope the brexiters pump you once again mate.
told you that before , many many times. Your pro eu movement lost any credibility with your anti democratic antics post 2016 to 2019 , at least we accepted demcoracy in 2014 and the result was implemented .
the biggest fucking crybabies in human history calling other ineffectual is laughable.
sneering middle class tosspots who cant handle it when folk dont vote how they demand. twos up .
Serious question, Toejam: Are Scots nats the meekest, most snivelling, most cowardly ‘oppressed’ people in history? You keep telling us how you’re ‘imprisoned’ in Britain against your will. But what have you done about it? Can't you find a single Scottish Gandhi or Michael Collins? How about a Glaswegian Moses to lead your people out of bondage? No? Nothing? You have to be the most ineffectual independence group in the history of mankind. And the layer of chicken shit you've spread over your country deepens every day. Bawk! Bawk! There's no point dealing with the rest of your post - you'll have u-turned again by tomorrow morning. i love it dyno. Keep it coming , the dislike is intense and mutual. I see once agin , the left right and centre of english politics is combining to put down the excitable native arguing against uk rule  . Anglo liberals , tories , brexiters , remoaners , cardboard socialist , they all close ranks when whats left of the empire is threatened.
You are like the twin cheek of the same deluded anglo saxon arse .In 2016 , brexit was going to solve all the worlds ills for the morris dancers , and bring back the good times , and now in 2023 , rejoin is going to solve all the worlds ills , and bring back the good times.
Its like watching a load of drunken men full of pimms , stagger about the room crashing constantly into the furniture in delirium. I wear your insults like a badge of honour dyno.
Getting back to the politics though , its going to be fun watching starmer reignite the brexit binfire. The big secret labour plan is to tie the uk back into the eu like some fly caught in a spider web , never officially announcing rejoin , merely signing the bhoys up behind the brussells bike sheds.
You are going to get some stick , from the football terraces , to the corridors of world power. no surrender to the eu will be the cry .
By that point , all you will have left is utter denial in the face of worldwide laughter.
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Post by sheepy on Sept 24, 2023 9:42:17 GMT
Swap Scots nats for rejoiners and there's no difference. Except Rejoiners don't claim to be oppressed by a foreign power, or prisoners in their own country. If they were, they'd be doing a hell of a lot more than Toejam's chicken-shit brigade. Erm, but I am not an economist! lol |
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. Anglo liberals , tories , brexiters , remoaners , cardboard socialist , they all close ranks when whats left of the empire is threatened.