|
|
Post by steppenwolf on Sept 20, 2023 7:44:05 GMT
There seem to be so many people who are complaining about our deal, but - just looking at it from the simplistic point of view of a consumer - it seems very little different from before we left. None of the effects that we were told by remainers would happen have happened, house price crash, food shortages etc.
The only things I've noticed are that I no longer sell ebay items to Northern Ireland because it costs too much and takes too long and I don't buy things from Europe. I used to buy stuff from Thomann (in Germany) because it was cheap and reliable, but it's a pain now because of the need to pay VAT separately and brokerage charges which makes it cost more and take longer to arrive. I assume people in EU countries also buy less from the UK but the value of our exports to the EU have actually gone up.
Some firms in the South West (who sell sea food) have been screwed by the EU who have changed the rules and made their products non-compliant. That was just bad faith and an example of how the EU can never be trusted. But apart from that there has been little trouble IMO. Some of the advantages that we were meant to get (like getting our fishing waters back) haven't happened but this should improve when we take full control of fishing waters in 2025.
The other thing is that Northern Ireland is unhappy because the EU has kept them in the Single Market and has weaponised the border control, resulting in trading problems. And Sunak has set this in stone with the Windsor frame-up. But I think it's inevitable that NI will revert to Ireland - it's only a matter of time - and frankly it's no loss.
I'd say that it's all worked remarkably well - despite the EU's deliberate intransigence and the Remoaners best efforts to spoil our deal.
|
|
|
|
Post by buccaneer on Sept 20, 2023 11:49:16 GMT
There seem to be so many people who are complaining about our deal, but - just looking at it from the simplistic point of view of a consumer - it seems very little different from before we left. None of the effects that we were told by remainers would happen have happened, house price crash, food shortages etc. The only things I've noticed are that I no longer sell ebay items to Northern Ireland because it costs too much and takes too long and I don't buy things from Europe. I used to buy stuff from Thomann (in Germany) because it was cheap and reliable, but it's a pain now because of the need to pay VAT separately and brokerage charges which makes it cost more and take longer to arrive. I assume people in EU countries also buy less from the UK but the value of our exports to the EU have actually gone up. Some firms in the South West (who sell sea food) have been screwed by the EU who have changed the rules and made their products non-compliant. That was just bad faith and an example of how the EU can never be trusted. But apart from that there has been little trouble IMO. Some of the advantages that we were meant to get (like getting our fishing waters back) haven't happened but this should improve when we take full control of fishing waters in 2025. The other thing is that Northern Ireland is unhappy because the EU has kept them in the Single Market and has weaponised the border control, resulting in trading problems. And Sunak has set this in stone with the Windsor frame-up. But I think it's inevitable that NI will revert to Ireland - it's only a matter of time - and frankly it's no loss. I'd say that it's all worked remarkably well - despite the EU's deliberate intransigence and the Remoaners best efforts to spoil our deal. The deal is only mentioned now because Starmer is ahead in the polls and he now has to start trickling out his reversal policies slowly, bit by bit. Apparently, the warmonger in the background is advising Starmer to go into full rejoin mode, as he thinks this will win the election for Labour. Blair is plugging away in the background pulling the strings. TBH, the EU have got over Brexit now and they neither want, or have the time for reopening Brexit negotiations. They have enough on their plate and don't want the in/out shake it all about nation to dredge up the insular wants of a few remain zealots. |
|
|
|
Post by sheepy on Sept 20, 2023 12:11:58 GMT
There seem to be so many people who are complaining about our deal, but - just looking at it from the simplistic point of view of a consumer - it seems very little different from before we left. None of the effects that we were told by remainers would happen have happened, house price crash, food shortages etc. The only things I've noticed are that I no longer sell ebay items to Northern Ireland because it costs too much and takes too long and I don't buy things from Europe. I used to buy stuff from Thomann (in Germany) because it was cheap and reliable, but it's a pain now because of the need to pay VAT separately and brokerage charges which makes it cost more and take longer to arrive. I assume people in EU countries also buy less from the UK but the value of our exports to the EU have actually gone up. Some firms in the South West (who sell sea food) have been screwed by the EU who have changed the rules and made their products non-compliant. That was just bad faith and an example of how the EU can never be trusted. But apart from that there has been little trouble IMO. Some of the advantages that we were meant to get (like getting our fishing waters back) haven't happened but this should improve when we take full control of fishing waters in 2025. The other thing is that Northern Ireland is unhappy because the EU has kept them in the Single Market and has weaponised the border control, resulting in trading problems. And Sunak has set this in stone with the Windsor frame-up. But I think it's inevitable that NI will revert to Ireland - it's only a matter of time - and frankly it's no loss. I'd say that it's all worked remarkably well - despite the EU's deliberate intransigence and the Remoaners best efforts to spoil our deal. The deal is only mentioned now because Starmer is ahead in the polls and he now has to start trickling out his reversal policies slowly, bit by bit. Apparently, the warmonger in the background is advising Starmer to go into full rejoin mode, as he thinks this will win the election for Labour. Blair is plugging away in the background pulling the strings. His little Elfs are all over the place telling you, they are going to stitch everyone up. They just need to acclimatise you to the fact. They couldn't careless about the majority of voters, never did most likely never will. |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Sept 20, 2023 21:10:06 GMT
The deal is a good deal.
Problem is at times, the customs officials on the continent haven't actually read it and don't know how to do their jobs.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Sept 20, 2023 22:05:39 GMT
The ex remainers will tell you that we are all going to hell in a Brexit handcart .
Some even seem to believe it .
Some try to gaslight us into thinking that Brexit was for the UK to withdraw into splendid isolation before regaining our status as a world power .
That’s a lie too.
|
|
|
|
Post by Einhorn on Sept 20, 2023 22:33:01 GMT
There seem to be so many people who are complaining about our deal, but - just looking at it from the simplistic point of view of a consumer - it seems very little different from before we left. None of the effects that we were told by remainers would happen have happened, house price crash, food shortages etc. The only things I've noticed are that I no longer sell ebay items to Northern Ireland because it costs too much and takes too long and I don't buy things from Europe. I used to buy stuff from Thomann (in Germany) because it was cheap and reliable, but it's a pain now because of the need to pay VAT separately and brokerage charges which makes it cost more and take longer to arrive. I assume people in EU countries also buy less from the UK but the value of our exports to the EU have actually gone up. Some firms in the South West (who sell sea food) have been screwed by the EU who have changed the rules and made their products non-compliant. That was just bad faith and an example of how the EU can never be trusted. But apart from that there has been little trouble IMO. Some of the advantages that we were meant to get (like getting our fishing waters back) haven't happened but this should improve when we take full control of fishing waters in 2025. The other thing is that Northern Ireland is unhappy because the EU has kept them in the Single Market and has weaponised the border control, resulting in trading problems. And Sunak has set this in stone with the Windsor frame-up. But I think it's inevitable that NI will revert to Ireland - it's only a matter of time - and frankly it's no loss. I'd say that it's all worked remarkably well - despite the EU's deliberate intransigence and the Remoaners best efforts to spoil our deal. 62% |
|
|
|
Post by buccaneer on Sept 20, 2023 23:44:14 GMT
There seem to be so many people who are complaining about our deal, but - just looking at it from the simplistic point of view of a consumer - it seems very little different from before we left. None of the effects that we were told by remainers would happen have happened, house price crash, food shortages etc. The only things I've noticed are that I no longer sell ebay items to Northern Ireland because it costs too much and takes too long and I don't buy things from Europe. I used to buy stuff from Thomann (in Germany) because it was cheap and reliable, but it's a pain now because of the need to pay VAT separately and brokerage charges which makes it cost more and take longer to arrive. I assume people in EU countries also buy less from the UK but the value of our exports to the EU have actually gone up. Some firms in the South West (who sell sea food) have been screwed by the EU who have changed the rules and made their products non-compliant. That was just bad faith and an example of how the EU can never be trusted. But apart from that there has been little trouble IMO. Some of the advantages that we were meant to get (like getting our fishing waters back) haven't happened but this should improve when we take full control of fishing waters in 2025. The other thing is that Northern Ireland is unhappy because the EU has kept them in the Single Market and has weaponised the border control, resulting in trading problems. And Sunak has set this in stone with the Windsor frame-up. But I think it's inevitable that NI will revert to Ireland - it's only a matter of time - and frankly it's no loss. I'd say that it's all worked remarkably well - despite the EU's deliberate intransigence and the Remoaners best efforts to spoil our deal. 62% CPTPP |
|
|
|
Post by Pacifico on Sept 21, 2023 6:46:12 GMT
I'd say the only major thing wrong with it is that damage it is doing to democracy in Northern Ireland. Apart from that it seems to be bedding in quite well.
|
|
|
|
Post by steppenwolf on Sept 21, 2023 6:55:21 GMT
I'd say that it's all worked remarkably well - despite the EU's deliberate intransigence and the Remoaners best efforts to spoil our deal. 62% What was the question? Who did they ask? The fact is that it's very difficult to do an accurate poll on Brexit because it cuts across so many groups of people. Th epolls before the Brexit referendum in 2016 indicated that the vote would go for remain - and the Exit poll AFTER the referendum also indicated that Remain had won. You also have to bear in mind that the Remain campaign has just continued after the referendum - in fact it's probably been ramped up - while the Leave campaign has wound down (obviously). If you had a new referendum on rejoining the EU it would probably be rejected by over 90%, just like in Switzerland's referendums on joining the EU. |
|
|
|
Post by Einhorn on Sept 21, 2023 11:54:13 GMT
Where are your percentages, Bubbles? Isn't the CPTPP predicted to bring something like 0.06% growth? That's not likely to make inroads into the 62% figure.  |
|
|
|
Post by Einhorn on Sept 21, 2023 11:56:36 GMT
What was the question? Who did they ask? The fact is that it's very difficult to do an accurate poll on Brexit because it cuts across so many groups of people. Th epolls before the Brexit referendum in 2016 indicated that the vote would go for remain - and the Exit poll AFTER the referendum also indicated that Remain had won. You also have to bear in mind that the Remain campaign has just continued after the referendum - in fact it's probably been ramped up - while the Leave campaign has wound down (obviously). If you had a new referendum on rejoining the EU it would probably be rejected by over 90%, just like in Switzerland's referendums on joining the EU. Yeah, don't remember the details, but there were a number of rule infringements (irregularities?) at a very late stage. What did the polls indicate after those? I know that a poll returned a pro-leave result only weeks before the referendum. And, most importantly, let's not forget that Rejoin has defeated Stay Out in more than NINETY CONSECUTIVE POLLS now. |
|
|
|
Post by buccaneer on Sept 21, 2023 11:59:25 GMT
Where are your percentages, Bubbles? Isn't the CPTPP predicted to bring something like 0.06% growth? That's not likely to make inroads into the 62% figure. It means that no matter what the alleged 62% want, the UK will not be rejoining the EU because it is part of the CPTPP. |
|
|
|
Post by Einhorn on Sept 21, 2023 12:00:29 GMT
Where are your percentages, Bubbles? Isn't the CPTPP predicted to bring something like 0.06% growth? That's not likely to make inroads into the 62% figure. It means that no matter what the alleged 62% want, the UK will not be rejoining the EU because it is part of the CPTPP. LOL! The US left the CPTPP. The UK is unlikely to remain a member of the CPTPP for even half as long as the US. |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Sept 21, 2023 13:34:26 GMT
Nothing wrong with the deal then.
|
|
|
|
Post by buccaneer on Sept 21, 2023 13:36:00 GMT
It means that no matter what the alleged 62% want, the UK will not be rejoining the EU because it is part of the CPTPP. LOL! The US left the CPTPP. The UK is unlikely to remain a member of the CPTPP for even half as long as the US. You're on to a loser as usual. The region has been outgrowing the EU for decades and is projected to keep on doing so. It has favourable demographics in comparison to Europe's aging population, here's a percentage for you: The British Chambers of Commerce state that 90% of growth in the middle class will be in the Indo-Pacific. It is an export market ideal for the UK services, and the CPTPP has made more progress in liberalising trade services than the EU. The CPTPP requires that the UK has control over its own regulatory system (bye bye dynamic alignment), therefore under Brussels' regulatory regime membership of the CPTPP won't be possible. Unlike the EU, the CPTPP doesn't force all its members to have the same regulatory standards, it relies on mutual recognition, equivalence and adequacy of standards, an approach that is more liberal and recognised globally as the best standard of practise. 62% won't change the inevitable, or the reality of it. And it doesn't look as though the EU are interested in the rejoiner fan fare that's got a few willy's waving either. Face it whiney, the Tories outmanoeuvred you and got the UK into the CPTPP quicker than you can say; 'you don't get to have your cake and eat it'. |
|
