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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 16:45:47 GMT
The path back to the EU is Associate Membership
Associate Membership would NOT include - ever closer union, or further integration, and policy areas would NOT include areas such as Justice, Citizenship or Home Affairs.
However, Associate Members would have to commit to the common principles of the EU and pay towards the budget of the EU, but at a reduced rate.
Lord Heseltine told The Independent that the UK must urgently explore the idea as the “overarching majority of people in Britain see Brexit as a mistake”; Associate membership would not include a customs union, allowing Britain to keep an independent trade policy.
So this is probably going to be the UK's pathway back to the European Union, as it emerges that France and Germany are pushing the proposal to create a four tier membership of the EU, including this proposed "Associate Membership", which observers say seems to be specifically aimed towards the UK and a potential Labour government.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 19, 2023 17:08:58 GMT
A pathway back to full membership ?
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Post by wapentake on Sept 19, 2023 17:38:32 GMT
The path back to the EU is Associate MembershipAssociate Membership would NOT include - ever closer union, or further integration, and policy areas would NOT include areas such as Justice, Citizenship or Home Affairs. However, Associate Members would have to commit to the common principles of the EU and pay towards the budget of the EU, but at a reduced rate. Lord Heseltine told The Independent that the UK must urgently explore the idea as the “overarching majority of people in Britain see Brexit as a mistake”; Associate membership would not include a customs union, allowing Britain to keep an independent trade policy. So this is probably going to be the UK's pathway back to the European Union, as it emerges that France and Germany are pushing the proposal to create a four tier membership of the EU, including this proposed "Associate Membership", which observers say seems to be specifically aimed towards the UK and a potential Labour government. Cobblers Sid,Starmer has been told customs union or sod off,where the sun don’t shine and all that.  |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 19, 2023 19:51:59 GMT
The path back to the EU is Associate MembershipAssociate Membership would NOT include - ever closer union, or further integration, and policy areas would NOT include areas such as Justice, Citizenship or Home Affairs. However, Associate Members would have to commit to the common principles of the EU and pay towards the budget of the EU, but at a reduced rate. Lord Heseltine told The Independent that the UK must urgently explore the idea as the “overarching majority of people in Britain see Brexit as a mistake”; Associate membership would not include a customs union, allowing Britain to keep an independent trade policy. So this is probably going to be the UK's pathway back to the European Union, as it emerges that France and Germany are pushing the proposal to create a four tier membership of the EU, including this proposed "Associate Membership", which observers say seems to be specifically aimed towards the UK and a potential Labour government. This is what you get when people piss up your back and tell you its raining.
British voters are finally seeing what Sir Keir Starmer is made of. Once a Euro fanatic, always a Euro fanatic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 20:06:14 GMT
The announcement that a group of academics were proposing a Four Track EU including Associate Membership has nothing to do with Starmer visiting the French President, it was pure coincidence.
The leader of the opposition repeated yet again today that he will not seek to take the UK into the EU, Customs Union or Single Market.
What Starmer is doing, is testing out the water to negotiate a better deal for Britain, a deal which will aid British jobs, the British economy and British industry / exporters. So whats wrong in that ?
What it will PROBABLY invole if Starmer did become Prime Minister would some kind of agreement to align British rules with EU rules, but NOT adopt EU rules.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 19, 2023 20:11:18 GMT
Align with rules not adopt rules …weasel words .
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Post by wapentake on Sept 19, 2023 20:40:17 GMT
The announcement that a group of academics were proposing a Four Track EU including Associate Membership has nothing to do with Starmer visiting the French President, it was pure coincidence. The leader of the opposition repeated yet again today that he will not seek to take the UK into the EU, Customs Union or Single Market. What Starmer is doing, is testing out the water to negotiate a better deal for Britain, a deal which will aid British jobs, the British economy and British industry / exporters. So whats wrong in that ? What it will PROBABLY invole if Starmer did become Prime Minister would some kind of agreement to align British rules with EU rules, but NOT adopt EU rules. Sid you are naive,this is how it goes the tories lib,lab,con never wanted us to leave as with the civil service that doesn’t serve us. The eu didn’t want us to go either and we were the only ones that have told them to shove it and actually gone. Behind the scenes and from day one of the vote the war criminal,the circus act,the run away and others have quietly been working behind our backs and with the eu. Fatty Thornberry said long ago we need to stay as close as close can be and that’s the plan until they hope we sleepwalk back in to the fold. They'll lie,cheat and connive,if Steamer makes pm they’ll arrange some deal where he’ll make some predetermined stand for the British people and it will all be done with the connivance of the eu. This is the script,the new order and we stuck a spanner in the works of how it’s meant to be. I can only hope there’s enough will see through what is to come and thwart it. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 19, 2023 20:47:11 GMT
So, the UK would be a rule taker without a vote, it would have to pay into the EU budget, oversight by the European Court of Justice and of course it would have to take on FoM.
Seems like the French and Germans do indeed run the EU for themselves in their desperation to enlarge and expand the bloc to not only consume the Balkans and the likes of the UK and Swiss, but to consume democracy as well.
Like Mogg said, I prefer the tier we're in now thanks.
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Post by wapentake on Sept 19, 2023 21:07:44 GMT
So, the UK would be a rule taker without a vote, it would have to pay into the EU budget, oversight by the European Court of Justice and of course it would have to take on FoM. Seems like the French and Germans do indeed run the EU for themselves in their desperation to enlarge and expand the bloc to not only consume the Balkans and the likes of the UK and Swiss, but to consume democracy as well. Like Mogg said, I prefer the tier we're in now thanks. And that’s what we’d be,a vassal state until we see the error of our ways and return and know our place. If Steamer becomes pm that’s a certainty and Steamer isn’t a spelling mistake because he hand in glove with with the war criminal and the others above want back in,he’s Steamer because that’s what he is a steaming pile of excrement ready to sell us to Brussels. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 20, 2023 6:22:54 GMT
The announcement that a group of academics were proposing a Four Track EU including Associate Membership has nothing to do with Starmer visiting the French President, it was pure coincidence. The leader of the opposition repeated yet again today that he will not seek to take the UK into the EU, Customs Union or Single Market. What Starmer is doing, is testing out the water to negotiate a better deal for Britain, a deal which will aid British jobs, the British economy and British industry / exporters. So whats wrong in that ? What it will PROBABLY invole if Starmer did become Prime Minister would some kind of agreement to align British rules with EU rules, but NOT adopt EU rules.That's meaningless. What it will DEFINITELY involve is paying money to the EU and agreeing to their rules but having no say in them. It's called being a "colony". |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 20, 2023 7:18:22 GMT
So, the UK would be a rule taker without a vote, it would have to pay into the EU budget, oversight by the European Court of Justice and of course it would have to take on FoM. Seems like the French and Germans do indeed run the EU for themselves in their desperation to enlarge and expand the bloc to not only consume the Balkans and the likes of the UK and Swiss, but to consume democracy as well. Like Mogg said, I prefer the tier we're in now thanks. And that’s what we’d be,a vassal state until we see the error of our ways and return and know our place. If Steamer becomes pm that’s a certainty and Steamer isn’t a spelling mistake because he hand in glove with with the war criminal and the others above want back in,he’s Steamer because that’s what he is a steaming pile of excrement ready to sell us to Brussels. These people (rejoiners) don't realise how humiliating it is for them to effectively say: Our nation cannot be sovereign, our nation cannot govern itself, we don't agree with the referendum result. We need the EU to co-govern us because we can't do it ourselves. These zealots will happily humiliate their own nation because of their flag-shagging tendencies and patriotism towards a corrupt and bureaucratic regime in Brussels that always finds itself at the heart of some sort of self-inflicted chaos. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 20, 2023 7:27:24 GMT
Wolfgang Münchau, a European commentator and director of the Eurointelligence consultancy, suggests that now Northern Ireland and the Horizon research programme had been sorted out there was little space for Starmer.
“Probably the biggest delusion yet to be unpicked is Sir Keir Starmer’s repeated assertion that there is a better deal with the EU out there. This is simply not true,” he wrote in his note to clients. “If your bottom line is that you do not wish to rejoin the single market and the customs union, there really is not a lot more out there.”
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 20, 2023 7:48:46 GMT
Wolfgang Münchau, a European commentator and director of the Eurointelligence consultancy, suggests that now Northern Ireland and the Horizon research programme had been sorted out there was little space for Starmer. “Probably the biggest delusion yet to be unpicked is Sir Keir Starmer’s repeated assertion that there is a better deal with the EU out there. This is simply not true,” he wrote in his note to clients. “If your bottom line is that you do not wish to rejoin the single market and the customs union, there really is not a lot more out there.” The only better deal the EU will be after is if the UK makes many more concessions to the EU. Like heavily regulating the economy and withdrawing sovereignty away from the UK. If Starmer offers that ears will prick up in Brussels. Other than that the EU are content with the deal they have with the UK. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 9:42:44 GMT
The UK already cannot make its own rules, because if products we export to the EU do not adhere to their regulations, they wont take them.
So, if this is the case, why does it seem a bad idea to align British regulation with the regulations of 27 neighbouring countries who just happen to be our most important trading partner. ?
Example of this is the UK live Mussel, Whelk, Cockle, Oyster and Mollusc / Shellfish industry, which was instantly descimated after the UK left the EU.
BUsinesses are struggling, the amount of red tape, paperwork, delays, certificates which firms are now dealing with takes up time and costs businesses money.
There simply is no reason to enter into negotiations to see if the UK can get a better deal, and to say there is no reason is quite simply DEFEATEST.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 10:37:04 GMT
So, the UK would be a rule taker without a vote, it would have to pay into the EU budget, oversight by the European Court of Justice and of course it would have to take on FoM. Seems like the French and Germans do indeed run the EU for themselves in their desperation to enlarge and expand the bloc to not only consume the Balkans and the likes of the UK and Swiss, but to consume democracy as well. Like Mogg said, I prefer the tier we're in now thanks. And that’s what we’d be,a vassal state until we see the error of our ways and return and know our place. If Steamer becomes pm that’s a certainty and Steamer isn’t a spelling mistake because he hand in glove with with the war criminal and the others above want back in,he’s Steamer because that’s what he is a steaming pile of excrement ready to sell us to Brussels. Harsh, however.. There's an article in the Telegraph which says Starmer wants to be another Blair or another Obama, but he's more likely to end up a very grey John Major, with similar pro EU policies. The only thing not grey about Major was his brown nose after Maastricht. |
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