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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 15:14:28 GMT
What has that got to do with what I said? We all know Palestine wants to obliterate Israel as we know Israel wants to obliterate Palestine.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 11, 2023 15:16:13 GMT
Israel could have wiped out the Palestinians at any time in the last 70 years. But they have not.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 11, 2023 15:16:57 GMT
Our 'fair share' of the billion or so non-citizens who currently qualify to live in western countries? You must be out of your gourd. No matter which way the conversation goes, it always comes back to what appears to be strongly in your interests and not in ours (ie the bulk of the UK public) "Billion or so". What bollox. 44,000 arrived on our shore this year, about 2% of those will be genuine refugees, that's 880. But you don't even want to take those 880 genuine asylum seekers. Bloody hell fire, I didn't even realise it was that bad, 44,000 so called 'refugees' and only 880 were genuine? and this is coming from a leftie FFS. That means 43,120 were bogus asylum seekers ........ it's even worse than I thought it was.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 15:17:18 GMT
I think black lives matter, don't you? I think Israeli lives matter, don't you? Of course I do, I have never said different and I have, on numerous, occasions condemned what Hamas di. But do you believe Palestinian lives matter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 15:17:53 GMT
White people have been the imagined enemy who have been used to scare non-white people with. Group people up, tell them all about Nazism, racism, olde day stuff and let them know that they will be protected in exchange for support. Braverman is obviously aware of this and we can only hope that she and people like her are genuinely unwilling to be used this way. I hope so.
Yes, exploited and manipulated for political gain. Who white people, where when?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 15:21:28 GMT
I think Israeli lives matter, don't you? So come now, Wonky: Do you support BLM in their support of Israeli civilians being murdered? My feelings on the Israeli-Palestine conflict should be well known and consistant. No, I do not support the killing of Israeli civilians by Hamas. Do you support the killing of Palestinian civilians by Israeli forces.
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Post by Orac on Oct 11, 2023 15:21:34 GMT
Our 'fair share' of the billion or so non-citizens who currently qualify to live in western countries? You must be out of your gourd. No matter which way the conversation goes, it always comes back to what appears to be strongly in your interests and not in ours (ie the bulk of the UK public) "Billion or so". What bollox. 44,000 arrived on our shore this year, about 2% of those will be genuine refugees, that's 880. But you don't even want to take those 880 genuine asylum seekers. There are between 700 million and a billion people who would currently qualify for asylum if they appeared in a western country. If you set up a walking pathway for them (as you seem determined to do)...then? Do I really have to fill in the rest of the logic here? This is why all the squabbling about people not having 'legitimate routes' is so futile. There are a billion of them, so we can't provide them with routes in. None of this is realistic unless your aim is to target our societies to destroy us. My working assumption with you is precisely that btw. All this has been explained to you in simple terms and yet you are still fixated on finding away to enable this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 15:24:13 GMT
Israel could have wiped out the Palestinians at any time in the last 70 years. But they have not. No but they have been accused of war crimes against the Palestinian population. They are not stupid enough to think they could get away with open genocide so they carry it out surreptitiously.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 11, 2023 15:26:16 GMT
There are Muslims in the IDF (always have been). Most Israelis want peace, not destruction.
Demonisation of all Israelis is a bad move.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 11, 2023 15:31:24 GMT
So come now, Wonky: Do you support BLM in their support of Israeli civilians being murdered? My feelings on the Israeli-Palestine conflict should be well known and consistant. No, I do not support the killing of Israeli civilians by Hamas. Do you support the killing of Palestinian civilians by Israeli forces. Wonky, you seem somewhat reticent so I'll ask again: Do you support BLM in their support of Israeli civilians being murdered?
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Post by Bentley on Oct 11, 2023 15:45:32 GMT
Did I say they didn't? But do you think black lives matter? All lives matter . Why pick out one group?
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 11, 2023 15:52:05 GMT
We can see the lefties all squirming now, .... they can't get their stories straight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 15:53:50 GMT
My feelings on the Israeli-Palestine conflict should be well known and consistant. No, I do not support the killing of Israeli civilians by Hamas. Do you support the killing of Palestinian civilians by Israeli forces. Wonky, you seem somewhat reticent so I'll ask again: Do you support BLM in their support of Israeli civilians being murdered? Why is it people not on the left want an absolute answer from someone on the left to a much more complicated question that cam be given by a simple yes or no but avoid answering a question such as 'do you think black lives matter', not much debating going on is there? I support BLM's support of the Palestinians fighting back against oppression, I have made that clear but BLM have never said they support the killing of civilians and children, unless you know better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 15:54:35 GMT
We can see the lefties all squirming now, .... they can't get their stories straight. Where is my story not straight, show me a contradiction?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 11, 2023 16:25:14 GMT
I support BLM's support of the Palestinians fighting back against oppression, I have made that clear but BLM have never said they support the killing of civilians and children, unless you know better. I'm going by the statement that they rushed out in the wake of hundreds of Israeli innocents being murdered in which they expressed solidarity with those responsible. Seems clear enough to me. Your difficulty in expressing whether or not you support that stance speaks for itself.
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