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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 15:23:24 GMT
Are we sure Johnson didn't take bribes of Saville? Considering he wasn't the DPP, it has to be NO, but can't say the same for Starmer, he does seem to have a lot of money for doing nothing. He may be the only person Johnson did not go 'cap in hand' to. Starmer had a proper job before becoming Labour leader. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 16:56:48 GMT
Well prosecutors can only work with the evidence supplied by the police. So back in your good old days the police were not properly investigating predatory paedophiles because they were famous? But thats alright because they were at least giving the odd black person a good kicking in the back of a van. Just watch Steve Coogan Drama 'The Reckoning' playing Jimmy Savile, you're delusional if you think Starmer didn't have enough 'proof' to hoist Savile in, but then you are lefty, and we must remember those double standard hypocrisy never lets you down. There are no worse hypocrites than you right wing bastards. And what the fuck does this have to do with any golden age of policing? Starmer was not the one directly reviewing the case. A later investigation found that the fault lay with those lawyers who were reviewing the case and the total inadequacy of the police investigation, which led directly to there being insufficient evedence because the police failed to seek it out. But dont let the facts get in the way of a good thread derailment, because this is about policing, not Starmer. If you want to talk about that twat start another thread to do so instead of derailing this one with one of your favourite pieces of bullshit. fullfact.org/online/keir-starmer-prosecute-jimmy-savile/#SnippetTab |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 4, 2023 17:29:39 GMT
Todays police are regularly accused of misogyny, institutional racism and trigger happy .
They,are also accused across the board of being incompetent and carrying little authority.
Anyone who tells us that todays police service is better than police forces in the past is somewhat short sighted .
Back to the subject.
Braverman has got more courage , honesty and moral fibre than the whole of the Labour shadow cabinet .
The only question now is can she walk the walk and how many of her colleagues will follow her.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 4, 2023 17:46:25 GMT
In all fairness SRB, I know quite a few people who'd like to give Morris Dancers a good kick. (Accordion players too  ) I know you are only joking and for that reason it is funny. You made me laugh. Thanks Though in all seriousness although I find them an embarrassing aspect of English culture, and easy to take the piss out of, they are harmless enough so if thats what they enjoy doing I am happy to let them get on with it. There are after all far more worrying aspects of our culture to worry about, eg our museums filled with the looted art treasures of the rest of the world, stolen in the days of empire. The Nazis looted the art treasures of Europe during the war. We called it a war crime and forced them to give it all back. Yet we still hold much of our looted art. Or the films and literature glorifying the days of empire which are mostly not shown anymore, or films with racist overtones like those about a fictional evil Chinese character called Phu Manchu which I recall from my childhood. Or Page 3 in the Sun whose objectified topless women survived into the 21st century and was defended as a great British institution, laughably looking back now. Anyway, sorry to spoil your funny remark with a serious response. But these things which the phobes around here probably regret the passing of are far more worrying aspects of our culture than a handful of policemen showing friendship towards minorities at festivals. No probs. If its any consolation, the reason they are so angry at the loss of the things you listed is because they are lost and no one wants them back. The constant claims that they represent the silent majority are the thrashings of a dying man. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 21:40:14 GMT
Todays police are regularly accused of misogyny, institutional racism and trigger happy . They,are also accused across the board of being incompetent and carrying little authority. Anyone who tells us that todays police service is better than police forces in the past is somewhat short sighted . Back to the subject. Braverman has got more courage , honesty and moral fibre than the whole of the Labour shadow cabinet . The only question now is can she walk the walk and how many of her colleagues will follow her. Braverman is blatantly appealing to the racist vote which is the lowest form of politics and makes her unfit for office. If she becomes the next Tory leader because enough of the Tory rank and file share the prejudices she is appealing to, she will guarantee Tory defeat in the election after the next. Because to win an election requires the backing not of the Tory rank and file, or a bunch of unrepresentative elderly right wing phobes, but of the mass of moderate opinion in the middle ground. And unlike you, most of these will be repulsed by her. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 4, 2023 21:50:31 GMT
Todays police are regularly accused of misogyny, institutional racism and trigger happy . They,are also accused across the board of being incompetent and carrying little authority. Anyone who tells us that todays police service is better than police forces in the past is somewhat short sighted . Back to the subject. Braverman has got more courage , honesty and moral fibre than the whole of the Labour shadow cabinet . The only question now is can she walk the walk and how many of her colleagues will follow her. Braverman is blatantly appealing to the racist vote which is the lowest form of politics and makes her unfit for office. If she becomes the next Tory leader because enough of the Tory rank and file share the prejudices she is appealing to, she will guarantee Tory defeat in the election after the next. Because to win an election requires the backing not of the Tory rank and file, or a bunch of unrepresentative elderly right wing phobes, but of the mass of moderate opinion in the middle ground. And unlike you, most of these will be repulsed by her.Braverman is telling the truth . Some people hate the truth . People like you . |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 4, 2023 21:55:58 GMT
So we have a guy wanting Braverman expelled from Britain - an act requiring borders - on the basis that she believes in borders and he doesn't. Don't ya just love the logic of the left.. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 5, 2023 6:24:13 GMT
So we have a guy wanting Braverman expelled from Britain - an act requiring borders - on the basis that she believes in borders and he doesn't. Don't ya just love the logic of the left.. If you tip the barrel a bit more you'll see there's a tiny bit you can still scrape out. |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 5, 2023 6:56:30 GMT
So we have a guy wanting Braverman expelled from Britain - an act requiring borders - on the basis that she believes in borders and he doesn't. Don't ya just love the logic of the left.. If you tip the barrel a bit more you'll see there's a tiny bit you can still scrape out. The Liberal democracy, as advertised, where we are involved with changing governments in countries we don't like, bomb anyone who says anything different, try to manipulate democracy for our own ends, take as many freedoms as possible away from the masses on a whim it is all for the greater good. The list of Liberalism is pretty endless, except when you dig a little below the surface, it doesn't seem anything like Liberalism as advertised. Just saying. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 5, 2023 7:04:55 GMT
I'd say that it could almost be mistaken for fascism.
Except that there's no mistake.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 5, 2023 7:07:04 GMT
...Because to win an election requires the backing not of the Tory rank and file, or a bunch of unrepresentative elderly right wing phobes, but of the mass of moderate opinion in the middle ground... About which you know nothing, Shrieky. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 7:18:56 GMT
Braverman is blatantly appealing to the racist vote which is the lowest form of politics and makes her unfit for office. She appears to be exposing, intentionally or not, the lunatic left who depend on making everything racist in order to further cripple the country. Perhaps the truth here is that you're unfit to actually address this without falling back on the usual lies and bullshit that is far-left moronic politics, where everyone but themselves are racists.
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Post by Orac on Oct 5, 2023 7:28:01 GMT
If you tip the barrel a bit more you'll see there's a tiny bit you can still scrape out. What sort of barrel are you talking about here? You feel glaring moral inconsistencies like this should be below our dignity - we simply shouldn't comment? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 9:30:59 GMT
Braverman is blatantly appealing to the racist vote which is the lowest form of politics and makes her unfit for office. She appears to be exposing, intentionally or not, the lunatic left who depend on making everything racist in order to further cripple the country. Perhaps the truth here is that you're unfit to actually address this without falling back on the usual lies and bullshit that is far-left moronic politics, where everyone but themselves are racists.
I an not even far left, which shows how little you know. What she very much does seem to be exposing, and probably quite intentionally, is the racist element on the right, in the media, and amongst the electorate, She is empowering you by reflecting your prejudices back at you, and emboldening all the phobes out there to believe that their numerous bigotries are in fact reasonable and mainstream, which they have long wanted to believe. And they love her for that. She is calculating that this is a good way to win enough support from her party membership to win the leadership when Sunak goes, and then hoping that she can win an election with such rhetoric. The latter is rather less likely than the former. If there are enough sensible Tory members who understand this, she will never become leader. But the membership does display a tendency all too often to put in place the people they most like, who share all their ideals and prejudices, rather than someone most likely to win broad support and hence win an election. I mean look at the utter disaster that was Liz Truss. Whose supporters still regularly invoke conspiracy theories to explain why it all went wrong, lol. After all it could never have been Truss's fault because they believed in her and supported her so if it was her fault, that would make them both wrong and stupid. Lol. The tale of the emperor's new clothes springs to mind right now, lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 9:36:31 GMT
Well, you keep telling yourself that and the rest of us can just laugh and dismiss it as the usual far-left rhetoric and fantasy. She's exposing people like you. Playing along with your fantasy I would argue that the idea of a white racist (I know you lefties see no other) voting for a dark women is illogical. However, pandering to those who elected this government, many times, to address immigration, is to be expected. The question is whether or not it's just hot air to prolong the BS.
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