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Post by zanygame on Sept 18, 2023 15:37:45 GMT
So Imprisonment. Preferably Alcatraz style? Yep, sounds good. Would this drive them into the black market, drugs money laundering protection sex slavery etc ? What, like they aren't already? Where do you think these trafficked boat people go? Honestly Zany, you really should get out of your ivory tower a bit more. Well obviously some are, some not. But why not just stop offering them help, let them become thieves and vagabonds. What could possibly go wrong. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 18, 2023 16:46:57 GMT
Yep, sounds good. What, like they aren't already? Where do you think these trafficked boat people go? Honestly Zany, you really should get out of your ivory tower a bit more. Well obviously some are, some not. But why not just stop offering them help, let them become thieves and vagabonds. What could possibly go wrong. Unless we let them walk into the country and wander about, it's not a problem for us. Of course your plan is to let them do exactly that, so it is |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 18, 2023 18:41:09 GMT
Well obviously some are, some not. But why not just stop offering them help, let them become thieves and vagabonds. What could possibly go wrong. Unless we let them walk into the country and wander about, it's not a problem for us. Of course your plan is to let them do exactly that, so it is and yours is to stop them, only you don't have a clue how. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 18, 2023 18:50:37 GMT
Unless we let them walk into the country and wander about, it's not a problem for us. Of course your plan is to let them do exactly that, so it is and yours is to stop them, only you don't have a clue how. Nothing you are saying here makes the slightest bit of sense. You didn't object to my plan because it wouldn't stop them entering, your objection amounted to a compliant that it would |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 18, 2023 18:50:48 GMT
Surprised how many from India and Pakistan. How to get to Botswana? Simple solution, put a second one in Turkey or even India. Simples eh. Do the places you're assigning as hosting UK Asylum Service Hubs get to have any say in the matter? If they prefer not to play along, what then? |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 18, 2023 19:58:05 GMT
Surprised how many from India and Pakistan. How to get to Botswana? Simple solution, put a second one in Turkey or even India. Simples eh. Do the places you're assigning as hosting UK Asylum Service Hubs get to have any say in the matter? If they prefer not to play along, what then? Yes we'd ask nicely. And if not choose somewhere else. Its a shame you only have can'ts. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 18, 2023 19:59:42 GMT
and yours is to stop them, only you don't have a clue how. Nothing you are saying here makes the slightest bit of sense. You didn't object to my plan because it wouldn't stop them entering, your objection amounted to a compliant that it wouldBecause it wouldn't stop them. It would just drive them underground. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 18, 2023 21:12:54 GMT
Nothing you are saying here makes the slightest bit of sense. You didn't object to my plan because it wouldn't stop them entering, your objection amounted to a compliant that it wouldBecause it wouldn't stop them. It would just drive them underground. You mean it would drive the frauds 'underground', rather than allowing them to operate openly and without worry within the law? lol |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 19, 2023 1:31:43 GMT
If anyone actually waded through this post, The bottom section is wrongly attributed to me. Apologies Zany … an editing error that slipped under my radar. …. Now corrected in the original post … So if you want to edit your post now … ?? 🤔 |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 19, 2023 6:16:06 GMT
Because it wouldn't stop them. It would just drive them underground. You mean it would drive the frauds 'underground', rather than allowing them to operate openly and without worry within the law? lol Yes. What difference. Still here |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 19, 2023 6:18:30 GMT
If anyone actually waded through this post, The bottom section is wrongly attributed to me. Apologies Zany … an editing error that slipped under my radar. …. Now corrected in the original post … So if you want to edit your post now … ?? 🤔 Done.  |
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Post by Orac on Sept 19, 2023 6:51:46 GMT
You mean it would drive the frauds 'underground', rather than allowing them to operate openly and without worry within the law? lol Yes. What difference. Still here So, earlier in this discussion, you were objecting to this morally even though you knew the facilities would have no people? This is also an implicit acceptance that none of this pantomime has anything at all to do with asylum - that we are just dealing with frauds and criminals. I'm beginning to suspect you aren't being entirely honest here and rather looking for reasons to object and finding yourself contorted into contradictions. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 19, 2023 7:10:53 GMT
Yes. What difference. Still here So, earlier in this discussion, you were objecting to this morally even though you knew the facilities would have no people? Why. I object morally to slavery even though its illegal in the UK. Bless you. Everything has to be black or white or you can't compute. Some are genuine, most are economic or criminal. I'm concerned that your scheme applies to all, with the lame excuse that the genuine would be grateful to swap fear of death with life imprisonment. I'm sure it wont be long before you tell me what I think again. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 19, 2023 7:12:18 GMT
Yes. What difference. Still here So, earlier in this discussion, you were objecting to this morally even though you knew the facilities would have no people? This is also an implicit acceptance that none of this pantomime has anything at all to do with asylum - that we are just dealing with frauds and criminals. I'm beginning to suspect you aren't being entirely honest here and rather looking for reasons to object and finding yourself contorted into contradictions. In all honesty, I am thinking Zany is the biggest advert for the far right the mind zone could have. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 19, 2023 7:24:38 GMT
Zany,
You use the analogy that you object to slavery, but here you are objecting to a plan to (by your latter argument) enslave nobody - ie a plan not to enslave anyone. This is far from the first time you have been caught contradicting yourself on this particular issue - ie asylum and illegal entry to the UK. This agile maneuvering, allied with your totally reliable and steadfast objection to anything that would act significantly to prevent it, are reasons I don't take your protestation that you want something done about it very seriously. You will shift on any issue to raise on objection to acting and will remain stationary exactly where you need to do the same. In this case you have ended up in a pile of contradictions.
In my view, you want the the UK public to continue to have this problem and will find an insoluble objection (if you can) to anything that might correct it
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