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Post by zanygame on Sept 17, 2023 19:14:43 GMT
Thanks. But I still don't see anything similar to the Australian scheme where you can apply online or by post? I'm sorry I can't add any enlightenment. If it's an important point for you perhaps best to get in touch with the UNHCR and inquire whether they will accept postal or online applications for the UK scheme. To hazard a guess, I'd think not but could be wrong. Thanks Dan. That's what I thought. So there is no way to apply for asylum in the UK without landing here. Unless the UNHCR decree its you.
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Post by Orac on Sept 17, 2023 19:16:56 GMT
I'm sorry I can't add any enlightenment. If it's an important point for you perhaps best to get in touch with the UNHCR and inquire whether they will accept postal or online applications for the UK scheme. To hazard a guess, I'd think not but could be wrong. Thanks Dan. That's what I thought. So there is no way to apply for asylum in the UK without landing here. Unless the UNHCR decree its you. Seems reasonable. The objective of asylum is to allow people to reach safety, not to get them specifically into the United Kingdom
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Post by zanygame on Sept 17, 2023 19:24:21 GMT
Sorry? You want them sent to an un-inviting - barracks, wireless free accommodation on a barren, windswept and remote promontory. So what's the difference between that and a prison. I assume yo wont let them leave other than to return to the hell they escaped from. No chance of applying for asylum then? They are already here when my solution kicks in, anyway it wasn't a solution is was just as bad as your solution only cheaper. Yes, and including the bureaucrats OOOOH. Of course the idea would be to stop the majority like the Australian system. Yes the crime of entering the UK uninvited. I hope not. Your prison would be a lot more acceptable to those lefties if there was a way for genuine asylum seekers to apply. I assume you wouldn't object to genuine asylum seekers. I feel you assume the UK public share your views. The problem with your idea is that there is no end to it. They can continue to suffer their current plight or be locked up on a remote peninsular forever. Really. You would swap persecution for life imprisonment would you. Fear of death for living death?
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 17, 2023 19:31:40 GMT
But anyway Zany, perhaps you could sketch out what you would consider to be an optimum approach to handling asylum claims, assuming that claimants don't wish to do down the UNHCR route.
Where should claims be received and who should be responsible for administering them? It goes without saying that any such scheme would have to take into account where the bulk of claimants originate from. In case of doubt, here is the list of the ten countries which provided the most claimants in 2022/23: Albania Afghanistan Iran India Iraq Bangladesh Syria Sudan Eritrea Pakistan
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Post by Orac on Sept 17, 2023 19:36:32 GMT
Yes the crime of entering the UK uninvited. I hope not. Your prison would be a lot more acceptable to those lefties if there was a way for genuine asylum seekers to apply. I assume you wouldn't object to genuine asylum seekers. I feel you assume the UK public share your views. The problem with your idea is that there is no end to it. They can continue to suffer their current plight or be locked up on a remote peninsular forever. Really. You would swap persecution for life imprisonment would you. Fear of death for living death? It's not a punishment for a crime, it's a condition of stay. If it were a punishment, then it would be mandatory - ie you couldn't leave. If someone sets up a rape shelter and tells those sheltered they can stay in one area, but can't wander into other areas, are these people imprisoned or being given conditional shelter? You have to bend reason around quite a bit to turn charity into some kind of abuse, but you are prepared to do that. There would be no genuine cases - nobody enters the UK from (say) France to escape danger. They are all frauds.
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Post by zanygame on Sept 17, 2023 20:09:52 GMT
But anyway Zany, perhaps you could sketch out what you would consider to be an optimum approach to handling asylum claims, assuming that claimants don't wish to do down the UNHCR route.
Where should claims be received and who should be responsible for administering them? It goes without saying that any such scheme would have to take into account where the bulk of claimants originate from. In case of doubt, here is the list of the ten countries which provided the most claimants in 2022/23: Albania Afghanistan Iran India Iraq Bangladesh Syria Sudan Eritrea Pakistan Thank you again for intelligent conversation. You raise of course the nub of the matter. With so much famine war etc we could be easily overwhelmed. As you might expect I have no solid answers. I suppose if pushed. Mothers with children aged 13 or younger in fear for their lives from starvation war etc. Others I would want to help in other ways. But as you and I know its an impossible situation.
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 17, 2023 20:30:06 GMT
It's not just 'we' of course. I can't see any country in the EU agreeing to function as a 'UK Asylum Service Hub' in the certain knowledge that agreeing to host such a function would act as a magnet for anyone who might aspire to seek asylum in the UK.
That means that any such service hubs would have to be set up in countries where the bulk of claimants originate, or at least close by. But then another issue arises: the UK does not have normal diplomatic relations with many of these countries and it would be impracticable to establish hubs in countries where the security of the UK-based staff that would have to run them could not be guaranteed.
And then we have the curious case of the countries in the subcontinent that have already provided millions of migrants to the UK: India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. What to do about them?
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Post by zanygame on Sept 17, 2023 20:42:41 GMT
My hope would be a stable African country such as Botswana. Not necessarily. They travel all the way here, so Chad or Botswana would not be impossible. Well we already did a deal with Rwanda... Legal migration?
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 17, 2023 20:57:05 GMT
Only a small fraction of asylum seekers in the UK originate in Africa. About 80% come from the Middle East or the subcontinent. How to get from Afghanistan or Iran to Botswana?
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 17, 2023 22:33:15 GMT
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Post by Orac on Sept 18, 2023 7:28:38 GMT
Solidarity could only be achieved around an aim that is of mutual benefit. How can you have solidarity around helping to achieve something nobody wants by electing to destroy yourself first?
Line five people up in a game of Russian roulette and see how much solidarity there is about who goes first.
The whole situation has become absurdly detached from reality and needs to be hard reset around an aim that people actually have
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 18, 2023 8:29:18 GMT
So Imprisonment. Preferably Alcatraz style? Yep, sounds good. Would this drive them into the black market, drugs money laundering protection sex slavery etc ? What, like they aren't already? Where do you think these trafficked boat people go? Honestly Zany, you really should get out of your ivory tower a bit more.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 18, 2023 9:12:05 GMT
Somebody positing sincerely "there would be no need for elections because we would know what the result will be" is either completely unaware of even the basics of political science and human nature, or they have some kind of serious and potentially dangerous psychiatric problem. One of the oddest features of what is happening is how completely incompetent and incoherent people seem to rise effortlessly into positions of massive influence. What Klaus Schwab is basically saying … “we have all angles of the Election process covered now - voting is largely irrelevant - we put into power our wunderkind, Rishi Sunak … the Electorate never got to vote for him … and he is now running Britain for the next 2 years … to Brussel’s dictates - Look, the British Military is now working for EU, U.S. and Soros Posse interests at British Tax-payers expense - £££billions… “Free Debate is stifled all over Europe. Left wing controllers turned QT into a ‘joke’ … no candidates we don’t ‘own’ will emerge to reach the final head-to-head. (Trump was a glitch in our Matrix - he won’t happen again!) Both Labour and the Tories will bow and scrape to our demands … because of the National Debt we engineered for all Europe with the Plandemic, Wars and Sanctions … we will make them toe the line to the end of time. Keir Starmer/Rishi Sunak … anyone we choose will be good at giving and taking it” Wherever migrants wish to go ilegally, no one can keep them out ….. (Edit) ……. so how is a continent which is 1.8 Million square miles, with 23 non-EU borders and 41,000 miles of coasline going to keep them out. ? The Leftist anarchists that run Glastonbury and the Israeli Zionists like Net+yahoo know how to replicate Trump’s initiatives on his Mexican border … take a leaf out of their book! This problem is a mass invasion … a takeover bid … dispossession …still time to get that FACT lodged in the thick bonces of Leftist Multiculturalist Apologists … before it’s too late. …. before we remove them from all positions of Administrative power thru a true Democratic process engineered by a FREE UNCENSORED PRESS. Will this battle for our Security and Survival result in another Civil War? Democracy-trashing multiculturalist bullies created this situation … weakening our Country. … we are URGENTLY going to need a repatriation boat force that tows refugee boats day and night back to the Dutch/French/Irish Republic beaches … plus gunboats and sophisticated satellite/night monitoring systems, indigenous back-up crews … 24/7 365 patrolling the English Channel and Irish Seas for organised gangs + stragglers - to get this done effectively … As we had in Elizabethan time …with the famed Armada fleet invasion threat … we will need modern Coastal Alarm beacons for fast track Home Guard protection responses. Government incompetence and flannel policies has pushed the UK to set up an indigenous Force Militia set up to take over and get the job done … replace the ineffective Armed Forces in the UK … who have deliberately sold us out … and been moved to Poland by NATO and the WEF+ Coudenhove-Kalergi Foundation who gave Angela Merkel an award and secret financial backing to SERIOUSLY weaken our European/UK border defences. The left wing/commie imbecile Mrs Merkel is responsible for this catastrophic mess, the Germans make a complete destructive pigs ear of everything they do, (World War One, World War Two, forming the European Union and dictating the immigration policy of Europe), and now we have Sir Keir Starmer thinking that it is in the best interests of the UK to have a Germany dominated EU decide how many unknown terrorists/disease carrying economic migrants must enter the United Kingdom. Make the place so bloody awful that no one wants to come. Could work. We had the drip drip slow defunding of the EU membership years to turn the UK into a broken State. … but the handouts and anti-white racism here now … gives them massive incentives to flood in. We need to change all that … put indigenous people/tax-payers first. Like Israel does. The key is Europe should morally welfare-benefit their immigrants … not pass the buck … they are Europe’s refugees … not ours. Brexit ineffectively locked our borders … Lock our borders … let the super rich of the EU Commission pay for this. Sort this. Not our problem or responsibility. Immigrants in our Cabinet and position of PM won’t make the tough decisions necessary here. … the Electorate should remove them … purely self-protectionist policy … for the future tsunami approaching. Let’s be honest … Globalists have declared war on our Nations and our Sovereignty .. our Governance. …. It is now time to arrest these ANARCHISTS … and DEFUND them … to pay damage reparations to Third World Countries they raped, pillaged and destabilised. …but not as a ‘hand out’ … but in organised well-managed restoration projects that bind and unify their Communities and Spirit. Sustainable agriculture/irrigation schemes. Once those Third World Countries are repaired by removal of this ‘MAFIA’ CORRUPTION … securing tribal borders/stopping religious bullying …. Mass Migration will end. …. sustainable economies will then have a template to thrive in climates of stability.
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Post by zanygame on Sept 18, 2023 15:31:57 GMT
Only a small fraction of asylum seekers in the UK originate in Africa. About 80% come from the Middle East or the subcontinent. How to get from Afghanistan or Iran to Botswana? Surprised how many from India and Pakistan. How to get to Botswana? Simple solution, put a second one in Turkey or even India.
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Post by zanygame on Sept 18, 2023 15:35:33 GMT
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