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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 16, 2023 8:07:29 GMT
...are these guys giving Nazi salutes … er … Ukrainians .. by any chance ??🤔 … or just hard Left Anarchists whose arms twitched up impulsively on their day off pretending they were Liberals?😋 I think that the word "Espana" on the banner gives you a clue... |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 16, 2023 8:18:28 GMT
...are these guys giving Nazi salutes … er … Ukrainians .. by any chance ??🤔 … or just hard Left Anarchists whose arms twitched up impulsively on their day off pretending they were Liberals?😋 I think that the word "Espana" on the banner gives you a clue... They could be “refugees” on tour now pretending to be indigenous?? …. because most political Parties in power in Europe already support these guys ….    … so I guess we Moderates here are now between a rock and a hard place … which bunch of Nazis do we vote for ?? … maybe we need a whole new political System and Establishment Administration, new Deep State and new MSM?? DEFINITELY A WHOLE NEW SET OF POLITICAL PARTIES THAT REJECTS GLOBALISM FASCISM … and protects indigenous tribal cultures.…. Things are severely broken right now. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 16, 2023 8:22:55 GMT
Ah, so they could be Ukrainian Nazis pretending to be Spanish.
Well of course. 🙄
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 16, 2023 8:32:02 GMT
Ah, so they could be Ukrainian Nazis pretending to be Spanish. Well of course. 🙄 All Europeans who donated to further the war … should know what they were funding … there are many Ukrainians living in Spain Right now … spreading their sick sectarianism and racism against Russians. But you get my drift … Nazis are already running Europe … the proof is in the above pics I dropped. It’s just the MSM wants to spin a different ‘Reality’ … buy into it if you like … what do I care? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 16, 2023 8:37:06 GMT
Hmmm...
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Post by Steve on Sept 16, 2023 8:37:17 GMT
. . The question that arises is, of course, given that the conditions driving the growth of hard-right parties are just as prevalent in the UK as on the continent, and perhaps even more so, how is it that the UK has so far proved impervious to populist argument? Is it the usual question of lack of charismatic and cohesive leadership or is it, as the Economist implies, that the UK has already had its own fling with populism in the form of UKIP and the Brexit referendum they forced to Conservatives to conduct, and the electorate don't want any more of it?
Maybe but only a year ago we had a fairly hard right government under Truss so it could easily happen again. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 16, 2023 8:47:38 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 16, 2023 10:49:47 GMT
Ah, so they could be Ukrainian Nazis pretending to be Spanish. Well of course. 🙄 All Europeans who donated to further the war … should know what they were funding … there are many Ukrainians living in Spain Right now … spreading their sick sectarianism and racism against Russians.
Now I wonder why there would be a lot of Ukrainians in Spain (and every other European country) without a good word to say about Russians?... Tough question..  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 16, 2023 10:50:57 GMT
. . The question that arises is, of course, given that the conditions driving the growth of hard-right parties are just as prevalent in the UK as on the continent, and perhaps even more so, how is it that the UK has so far proved impervious to populist argument? Is it the usual question of lack of charismatic and cohesive leadership or is it, as the Economist implies, that the UK has already had its own fling with populism in the form of UKIP and the Brexit referendum they forced to Conservatives to conduct, and the electorate don't want any more of it?
Maybe but only a year ago we had a fairly hard right government under Truss so it could easily happen again. LOL!🤣 |
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Post by Orac on Sept 16, 2023 10:58:09 GMT
It's impossible to have a discussion without a common language
One conservative tax policy = hard right government
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2023 12:19:36 GMT
[Question] When do populist / nationalist / anti immigrant political parties do best ?
[Answer] In difficult times, periods of high unemployment, depressions, recessions, wars and crisis.
The BUF ( British Union of Fascists ) did well during the depression of the 1930s, Oswald Mosseley attracted fairly large numbers of followers. The Nazi Party of Germany did well at the same time, except that Germanys economy was far more badly affected than ours, and there was humiliation after World War One plus hyper inflation.
The last time there was a spike in popularity of the far right in this country was in the aftermath of the Financial Crisis and Recession of 2007-2009, the BNP managed to aquire 2 EU seats in the 2009 European elections.
In this country, give the far right the oxygen of publicity and scrutiny, and they fail by showing the electorate what they are, and who they really are, as happened Nick Griffin and Question Time.
Europe is going through a very tough time thanks to the war in Ukraine, with gas supplies and gas prices, some nations are in recession.
When times are tough, some people turn to extremist solutions, but I am not worried about the far right either here or across the channel.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 16, 2023 12:27:40 GMT
[Question] When do populist / nationalist / anti immigrant political parties do best ? [Answer] In difficult times, periods of high unemployment, depressions, recessions, wars and crisis. The BUF ( British Union of Fascists ) did well during the depression of the 1930s, Oswald Mosseley attracted fairly large numbers of followers. The Nazi Party of Germany did well at the same time... Yes, in hard times people are more likely to be attracted to extreme socialism. Fortunately, in the UK the alt-left so called "Far right" have only ever been a protest vote rather than a serious political movement. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 16, 2023 12:32:11 GMT
Reformers tend to gain traction when the wheels are starting to fall off.
less a grand theory of history and more a restatement of the obvious
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 16, 2023 13:01:38 GMT
It's impossible to have a discussion without a common language One conservative tax policy = hard right government Whereas in reality what distinguishes 'hard right' factions across Europe is not fiscal or economic policy but their stance on identitarian questions: immigration, citizenship, family, culture, gender politics and sexuality.
Practically the only other thing that animates them is what they view as an inflexible energy policy imposed top down by the centre-right and centre-left parties. Even the EU is not a particular issue, in stark contrast to the UK.
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 16, 2023 13:12:39 GMT
[Question] When do populist / nationalist / anti immigrant political parties do best ? [Answer] In difficult times, periods of high unemployment, depressions, recessions, wars and crisis. The BUF ( British Union of Fascists ) did well during the depression of the 1930s, Oswald Mosseley attracted fairly large numbers of followers. The Nazi Party of Germany did well at the same time, except that Germanys economy was far more badly affected than ours, and there was humiliation after World War One plus hyper inflation. The last time there was a spike in popularity of the far right in this country was in the aftermath of the Financial Crisis and Recession of 2007-2009, the BNP managed to aquire 2 EU seats in the 2009 European elections. In this country, give the far right the oxygen of publicity and scrutiny, and they fail by showing the electorate what they are, and who they really are, as happened Nick Griffin and Question Time. Europe is going through a very tough time thanks to the war in Ukraine, with gas supplies and gas prices, some nations are in recession. When times are tough, some people turn to extremist solutions, but I am not worried about the far right either here or across the channel. You appear to be discounting the well-documented finding that, in the UK, 'far right' policies attract much greater public support when they are not associated with parties that are labelled as such in the mainstream media.
The BNP being a particular case in point. In 2006 a YouGov survey asked two sample audiences a series of questions concerning proposals in a BNP manifesto. One sample was given the questions without the BNP being mentioned, the other was told the proposals were BNP policy. 37% of the former said they would vote for such a party, reducing to 20% for those who were told it was the BNP.
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