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Post by Pacifico on Sept 16, 2023 6:38:59 GMT
Sorry mate you are going to have to explain that - given all the problems that the asylum system causes, how is increasing the numbers of asylum seekers a pragmatic solution?..
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 16, 2023 7:56:51 GMT
So we should tell them all to F off! Where to? We should return them to France! How? We should stop them crossing the channel? How. Loads of shouting and arm waving by the usual culprits, but no solutions offered. In the meantime all those unprocessed illegal migrants are sitting idle and costing a fortune. Sounds to me like Sir Kier is the first person offering a pragmatic solution. We've been through this a thousand times. These criminals are not fleeing war or persecution, they are comming from France a safe EU state. The only reason clueless lefties say illegals have a right to invade this country is because of 70 year old legislation that the vast majority of sensible people agree is no longer fit for purpose. You ask how we should stop these criminals! For the life of me I don't understand you spineless lefties. We physically stop them entering UK territorial waters as international law allows. We put physical barriers in the channel to stop them, we tow them drag them scoop em up and dump em on French beaches and if a few drown tough. That's how we stop the illegal invasion. For Christ sake I despise virtuous weak lefties who on bended knee welcome invaders. Are you aware Battle of Britain commemorations are going on this weekend? Thank god our grandparents had backbones, if they had been spineless lefties we would all be speaking German today. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 16, 2023 8:09:39 GMT
We should tell em to fuck off, allowing anyone to walk into this country from the 'safe' EU or France is insane. These people are not refugees or asylum seekers they're criminals. Serious question, when in your opinion will enough be enough? England has been the most densely populated country in Europe since 2007 and the UK population is currently at an all time high of 68 million. Will 80 million be enough? maybe 100 million? When in your opinion will enough be enough? We are obliged to process asylum seekers. You do not want to accept that truth. You are not right in your assertion. How in the wild wild world of sport can anyone claim asylum from the EU? Lefties who insist we should virtuously obey 70 year old legislation that is quite obviously a danger to the security and people of this country need their arses kicking. It's absolute madness. And I repeat: Serious question, when in your opinion will enough be enough? England has been the most densely populated country in Europe since 2007 and the UK population is currently at an all time high of 68 million. Will 80 million be enough? maybe 100 million? When in your opinion will enough be enough? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2023 9:23:51 GMT
So we should tell them all to F off! Where to? Not my concern. You wouldn't even have to go that far. Drop them off in the middle of the channel and let France pick them up. If they don't you and your Brady bunch can scream at them.
Pushing their dingies away with tug boats.
Every solution will be attacked, because you and the useless government don't want to take any real action. The government is all talk.
You would say that. You're a Blairite and Blairites love treating England as a dumping ground.
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Post by zanygame on Sept 16, 2023 12:11:02 GMT
Sorry mate you are going to have to explain that - given all the problems that the asylum system causes, how is increasing the numbers of asylum seekers a pragmatic solution?.. They arrive anyway. The pragmatic solution is how that happens. Everyone wants to find a way to stop them coming, until that happens we have to look at what we do with them. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 16, 2023 12:14:03 GMT
So we should tell them all to F off! Where to? We should return them to France! How? We should stop them crossing the channel? How. Loads of shouting and arm waving by the usual culprits, but no solutions offered. In the meantime all those unprocessed illegal migrants are sitting idle and costing a fortune. Sounds to me like Sir Kier is the first person offering a pragmatic solution. We've been through this a thousand times. These criminals are not fleeing war or persecution, they are comming from France a safe EU state. The only reason clueless lefties say illegals have a right to invade this country is because of 70 year old legislation that the vast majority of sensible people agree is no longer fit for purpose. You ask how we should stop these criminals! For the life of me I don't understand you spineless lefties. We physically stop them entering UK territorial waters as international law allows. We put physical barriers in the channel to stop them, we tow them drag them scoop em up and dump em on French beaches and if a few drown tough. That's how we stop the illegal invasion. For Christ sake I despise virtuous weak lefties who on bended knee welcome invaders. Are you aware Battle of Britain commemorations are going on this weekend? Thank god our grandparents had backbones, if they had been spineless lefties we would all be speaking German today. Yes we have. And a thousand times you've been told there's nothing to stop them travelling through any other country to seek asylum here. That you cannot absorb this information is not might fault. Your proffered solutions are more akin to Iran than England. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 16, 2023 12:20:33 GMT
So we should tell them all to F off! Where to? I could say cop out, but let me rephrase the question. What would you do with a boat load of migrants in British waters who refuse to turn back and wont tell you which country they came from.
Yer, you might want to look at the greater picture here. Falling out with the EU and the civilised world to that degree might prove VERY expensive.
See above.
I've not seen a viable solution offered yet. I suspect that's not your fault, but that there simply isn't one.
Remind me, how many migrants have the Tories dumped here since 2010?
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 16, 2023 12:20:51 GMT
We've been through this a thousand times. These criminals are not fleeing war or persecution, they are comming from France a safe EU state. The only reason clueless lefties say illegals have a right to invade this country is because of 70 year old legislation that the vast majority of sensible people agree is no longer fit for purpose. You ask how we should stop these criminals! For the life of me I don't understand you spineless lefties. We physically stop them entering UK territorial waters as international law allows. We put physical barriers in the channel to stop them, we tow them drag them scoop em up and dump em on French beaches and if a few drown tough. That's how we stop the illegal invasion. For Christ sake I despise virtuous weak lefties who on bended knee welcome invaders. Are you aware Battle of Britain commemorations are going on this weekend? Thank god our grandparents had backbones, if they had been spineless lefties we would all be speaking German today. Yes we have. And a thousand times you've been told there's nothing to stop them travelling through any other country to seek asylum here. That you cannot absorb this information is not might fault. Your proffered solutions are more akin to Iran than England. Serious question, when in your opinion will enough be enough? England has been the most densely populated country in Europe since 2007 and the UK population is currently at an all time high of 68 million. Will 80 million be enough? maybe 100 million? When in your opinion will enough be enough? |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 16, 2023 13:08:27 GMT
Yes we have. And a thousand times you've been told there's nothing to stop them travelling through any other country to seek asylum here. That you cannot absorb this information is not might fault. Your proffered solutions are more akin to Iran than England. Serious question, when in your opinion will enough be enough? England has been the most densely populated country in Europe since 2007 and the UK population is currently at an all time high of 68 million. Will 80 million be enough? maybe 100 million? When in your opinion will enough be enough? Serious answer. NOW. I'm not saying lets have lots more migrants. But bare in mind illegal migrants are a tiny part of migration (NO that doesn't mean they're OK, but if you are arguing about overpopulation then they are tiny proportion) The problem is how to stop them without becoming an international pariah. Its a problem every advanced country has. I have offered my solution to the problem, every time I'm accused of being a leftie snowflake. That is to have asylum centres for 1st world countries offshore in third countries near conflict zones that have more free land than we do, cheaper labour (to look after so awaiting decisions) and do not offer the opportunity to simply disappear into the UK's black economy. I have no idea why no government has suggested this. BTW, most estimates put our current population at nearer 80 million now. If you want to stop population growth, stop LEGAL immigration. (Around 700,000 a year) I appreciate there are other arguments against asylum seekers, their backgrounds, violence, etc. Was that a serious enough answer for you? Or did you really want me to whine on about uman rights? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 16, 2023 14:21:03 GMT
Serious question, when in your opinion will enough be enough? England has been the most densely populated country in Europe since 2007 and the UK population is currently at an all time high of 68 million. Will 80 million be enough? maybe 100 million? When in your opinion will enough be enough? Serious answer. NOW. I'm not saying lets have lots more migrants. But bare in mind illegal migrants are a tiny part of migration (NO that doesn't mean they're OK, but if you are arguing about overpopulation then they are tiny proportion) The problem is how to stop them without becoming an international pariah. Its a problem every advanced country has. I have offered my solution to the problem, every time I'm accused of being a leftie snowflake. That is to have asylum centres for 1st world countries offshore in third countries near conflict zones that have more free land than we do, cheaper labour (to look after so awaiting decisions) and do not offer the opportunity to simply disappear into the UK's black economy. I have no idea why no government has suggested this. BTW, most estimates put our current population at nearer 80 million now. If you want to stop population growth, stop LEGAL immigration. (Around 700,000 a year) I appreciate there are other arguments against asylum seekers, their backgrounds, violence, etc. Was that a serious enough answer for you? Or did you really want me to whine on about uman rights? Controlling migration has never in our history been a problem, and illegal migration has never been an issue on this scale. The only reason it's an issue today is because they're comming from the 'safe' EU. We could quite legally stop any vessel or people entering our territorial waters but our weak pro EU politicians are frightened to enact international law because it would upset the EU. The EU are totally incompetent, they encouraged African migration and decreed that any Africans landing on EU soil would not be sent back. What sort of a message do you think that sent to millions of people in Africa? Never forget the EU are the architects of this whole European migration crisis and because they're bitter about Brexit they ignore hundreds of thousands of illegals who cross the channel. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 16, 2023 15:21:48 GMT
Serious answer. NOW. I'm not saying lets have lots more migrants. But bare in mind illegal migrants are a tiny part of migration (NO that doesn't mean they're OK, but if you are arguing about overpopulation then they are tiny proportion) The problem is how to stop them without becoming an international pariah. Its a problem every advanced country has. I have offered my solution to the problem, every time I'm accused of being a leftie snowflake. That is to have asylum centres for 1st world countries offshore in third countries near conflict zones that have more free land than we do, cheaper labour (to look after so awaiting decisions) and do not offer the opportunity to simply disappear into the UK's black economy. I have no idea why no government has suggested this. BTW, most estimates put our current population at nearer 80 million now. If you want to stop population growth, stop LEGAL immigration. (Around 700,000 a year) I appreciate there are other arguments against asylum seekers, their backgrounds, violence, etc. Was that a serious enough answer for you? Or did you really want me to whine on about uman rights? Controlling migration has never in our history been a problem, and illegal migration has never been an issue on this scale. The only reason it's an issue today is because they're comming from the 'safe' EU. We could quite legally stop any vessel or people entering our territorial waters but our weak pro EU politicians are frightened to enact international law because it would upset the EU. The EU are totally incompetent, they encouraged African migration and decreed that any Africans landing on EU soil would not be sent back. What sort of a message do you think that sent to millions of people in Africa? Never forget the EU are the architects of this whole European migration crisis and because they're bitter about Brexit they ignore hundreds of thousands of illegals who cross the channel. Wrong on every point Red. Migration has been a problem ever since civilisation. We could stop any vessel entering Uk waters, trouble is we don't usually spot them until they are IN Uk waters and then we cannot legally force them into French waters. What international law could the EU evoke? The Eu have not they encouraged African migration and decreed that any Africans landing on EU soil would not be sent back. They have the same problems we have and America has. Bringing Brexit into it is just daft. Italy and Greece are in the EU and have far more problems than us. BTW. Isn't it time you had your avatar neutered and muzzled? 😅 😂 🤣 |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 16, 2023 16:08:17 GMT
Controlling migration has never in our history been a problem, and illegal migration has never been an issue on this scale. The only reason it's an issue today is because they're comming from the 'safe' EU. We could quite legally stop any vessel or people entering our territorial waters but our weak pro EU politicians are frightened to enact international law because it would upset the EU. The EU are totally incompetent, they encouraged African migration and decreed that any Africans landing on EU soil would not be sent back. What sort of a message do you think that sent to millions of people in Africa? Never forget the EU are the architects of this whole European migration crisis and because they're bitter about Brexit they ignore hundreds of thousands of illegals who cross the channel. Wrong on every point Red. Migration has been a problem ever since civilisation. We could stop any vessel entering Uk waters, trouble is we don't usually spot them until they are IN Uk waters and then we cannot legally force them into French waters. What international law could the EU evoke? The Eu have not they encouraged African migration and decreed that any Africans landing on EU soil would not be sent back. They have the same problems we have and America has. Bringing Brexit into it is just daft. Italy and Greece are in the EU and have far more problems than us. BTW. Isn't it time you had your avatar neutered and muzzled? 😅 😂 🤣 Absolute rubbish. This country has never ever faced this level of immigration illegal or otherwise, what's happening today is a first in British history. Lefties used to cite the Hugeunots as an example of immigration to this country, but the 50,000 Hugeunots who came to this country over decades account for just a few weeks worth of immigration today. I say again, this country has never ever faced this level of immigration, illegal or otherwise and we could and should stop it. FFS ZG, have you got access to google? How many times must we go over the same fuckin ground? In 2008/9 the EU opened job centres in Africa, in 2015 Merkel famously said of the African invasion 'Wir schaffen das' (We can manage) She later apologised and said she wished the clock could be turned back, before retiring into an immigrant free tax payer funded life of luxury. The EU are now waking up to the immigrant crisis they encouraged, and even though they are attempting to stop the cross Med invasion they are completely ignoring the cross channel invasion. For years the EU encouraged African migration, the EU facilitates free passage across a borderless Europe to Calais then looks the other way as illegals cross the Channel. And the unelected EU Commission even had the fuckin gall to 'warn' British PM Sunak not ignore decisions by the European Court of Human Rights! I mean who the fuck do these unelected Nazis think they are? The EU is not only incompetent but corrupt, and sadly they will probably get away with flooding the UK with illegals because our politicians are spineless pro EU wankers, but I promise you this: in the unlikely event that Sunak does manage to find his balls and actually stops the cross channel invasion from the EU, he will win the next election because the electorate are far angrier about the illegal invasion than the BBC or left wing press are willing to report. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 16, 2023 16:14:25 GMT
So we should tell them all to F off! Where to? We should return them to France! How? We should stop them crossing the channel? How. Loads of shouting and arm waving by the usual culprits, but no solutions offered. In the meantime all those unprocessed illegal migrants are sitting idle and costing a fortune. Sounds to me like Sir Kier is the first person offering a pragmatic solution. I’ve already proffered a solution . Declare anyone crossing the channel by colluding with criminal traffickers as criminals and make it clear that anyone who does so will be denied an official status in the Uk apart from being a criminal that will be deported . |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 16, 2023 17:12:41 GMT
Sorry mate you are going to have to explain that - given all the problems that the asylum system causes, how is increasing the numbers of asylum seekers a pragmatic solution?.. They arrive anyway. The pragmatic solution is how that happens. Everyone wants to find a way to stop them coming, until that happens we have to look at what we do with them. Yes, but I'm talking about numbers. How does increasing the number of asylum seekers do anything to improve the issue? |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 16, 2023 17:17:00 GMT
I could say cop out, but let me rephrase the question. What would you do with a boat load of migrants in British waters who refuse to turn back and wont tell you which country they came from. I would do exactly the same as the EU and push it back to where it came from... |
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