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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 9, 2022 12:52:10 GMT
Here is another of those political stories from Radio 4. Today some Scot from the SNP tells us a new referendum is the gold standard. What he forgot to do though was to tune in to Radio 4 yesterday, for there was a bit of political history from 1964. My history of this period is a bit shaky so forgive me if I get things wrong, but what was said was the new Labour prime minister Harrold Wilson was a bit of a dimwit who left school at 16, worked his way up the greasy poll of the civil service and did not like professors of economics from places like Cambridge, so he had a deaf ear to academia.
The problem was the rooted in 1944 and the great Bretton Woods agreement "the gold standard" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system This system was trying to peg all currencies it could to the US dollar that was backed by gold and hence the name. Our problem was that due to the irresponsibly loose monitory policy (Keynesian Economics/printing money) our currency was naturally devaluing against the dollar, and at one time a pound bought 4 dollars, and now it just manages one and a bit. However, Wilson was a naive fool in the minds of the professors who knew the real picture. He said I don't care what some academic says, I say the pound will always be worth the same dollars, as in not much more than a statement of British pride (the unsinkable Titanic thinking). Anyhow the upshot of this was that Wilson was obeying the Americans who wanted it fixed and the act of fixing it was making our industrial exports less and less competitive to foreign markets, and as the professors said, it would go tits up and it did. Latterly the ERM tried the same kind of trick but that failed spectacularly as well due to currency speculation.
So in conclusion I have to agree with the SNP - the idea of a new referendum is the gold standard. What do you say?
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Post by morayloon on Oct 10, 2022 14:53:49 GMT
The one big question is: does the SNP have it in them to actually push for Independence? At successive elections we were told that a referendum was going to be held ... but, apart from seeking a Section 30 order, nothing has happened. Last year Martin Keatings brought a case to court - very similar to the one being heard this week - but the SNP actively worked against it.
The idea of a plebiscitary election was also brought up before the 2021 election by Angus Brendan McNeil and Chris McEleney. It was booed when the proposal was before the National Conference.
Now they've done a complete U turn on both measures.
If the Court case is won, the next move would probably be to seek a section 30. If that is refused then 2024 will have Independence at the heart of the campaign. If they don't win, what then?
Going on her past record she'll meekly accept the situation. Until, of course, the next election when the carrot of holding a referendum will be dangled in front of the faithful. Many of us have become hartily sick at the inaction and left the party to join Alex Salmond who, say what you like about him, at least gave us a chance to vote on our constitutional future
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 11, 2022 1:50:01 GMT
Sturgeon has a one-track mind on this. It is all she ever goes on about, but she's going to run out of road because the UK intentionally withheld the power she needs to split from England, and the Tories say once in a generation. I do not know if Starmer would give her one, but I doubt it. He's a responsible lawyer type of guy.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 11, 2022 9:25:50 GMT
She's the Ian Paisley of Scotland, full of hatred for the English, does she realise how offense she is towards English people, I find her kind of politics is not wanted by any where in the UK.
She's full of hate and bile, she should not be in charge of a main political party, Scotland deserve better.
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Post by Steve on Oct 11, 2022 9:40:38 GMT
Don't confuse full of hate at being ruled by the English with 'full of hate for the English'
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Post by jaydee on Oct 11, 2022 10:05:54 GMT
Sturgeon has a one-track mind on this. It is all she ever goes on about, but she's going to run out of road because the UK intentionally withheld the power she needs to split from England, and the Tories say once in a generation. I do not know if Starmer would give her one, but I doubt it. He's a responsible lawyer type of guy. Wrong the press keep ranting that this is all she goes on about . She made it clear that it was off till covid was under control. And that has now happened. But surprise surprise. It is her wish for the Scots to become a independent nation Meanwhile Ross has a one track mind. About a ferry problem that has now been sorted out. That cock up is about 000000000.000005% of what the cocks up of the Tory's have cost the Scottish tax payer since they took power. In terms of gold standard. Sterling is no longer the dominant worlds reserve currency. The U.S. dollar is now the world's dominant reserve currency, among other such currencies including the euro, the yen, the pound, the renminbi (RMB), the Canadian dollar, the Swiss franc, and the Australian dollar. I cannot make my mind up. If that is a good or bad thing. |
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Post by jaydee on Oct 11, 2022 10:07:31 GMT
She's the Ian Paisley of Scotland, full of hatred for the English, does she realise how offense she is towards English people, I find her kind of politics is not wanted by any where in the UK. She's full of hate and bile, she should not be in charge of a main political party, Scotland deserve better. How about pointing out where she was offensive to the English people. Then go and look at the hate filled rants on other forums from your countrymen. The one npw closing down. Because of vile hatred. As you point your hatred against the elected First minister of Scotland. Now Johnston wanted the Scots exterminated. Truss made her hatred against the FM plain and simple. Would you like to vent your spleen on that one |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 11, 2022 10:15:21 GMT
Don't confuse full of hate at being ruled by the English with 'full of hate for the English' Scotland get a good deal from the 'English', Scotland fair far better than their English counterparts, instead of being grateful she's full of hatred because we balance the books, you've seen how Scotland manage their own spending .... that's right .. they can't.
They can't balance the books because the books are fiddled that much they will never balance, taking cash from English tax payers to fund a demented woman and her delusions of grandeur (First Minister President Sturgeon of Scotland) is insulting to the English people and the Scottish people.
Block Grant funding for the Scottish Government is the highest since devolution began at around £41 billion a year for 2022-2025. This means that for every £100 per person the UK Government spends in England on matters devolved to Scotland, the Scottish Government will receive around £126 per person in Scotland.
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Post by Steve on Oct 11, 2022 10:32:01 GMT
Don't confuse full of hate at being ruled by the English with 'full of hate for the English' Scotland get a good deal from the 'English', Scotland fair far better than their English counterparts, instead of being grateful she's full of hatred because we balance the books, you've seen how Scotland manage their own spending .... that's right .. they can't.
They can't balance the books because the books are fiddled that much they will never balance, taking cash from English tax payers to fund a demented woman and her delusions of grandeur (First Minister President Sturgeon of Scotland) is insulting to the English people and the Scottish people.
Block Grant funding for the Scottish Government is the highest since devolution began at around £41 billion a year for 2022-2025. This means that for every £100 per person the UK Government spends in England on matters devolved to Scotland, the Scottish Government will receive around £126 per person in Scotland.
Well if you're right and she's so isolated in her view you've nothing to fear from letting the Scots decide then? IMHO patronising speeches like the one you just made are the very thing to make Scots decide to be independent - which would be a tragedy for both sides of the border. |
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Post by jaydee on Oct 11, 2022 10:33:39 GMT
Scotland get a good deal from the 'English', Scotland fair far better than their English counterparts, instead of being grateful she's full of hatred because we balance the books, you've seen how Scotland manage their own spending .... that's right .. they can't.
They can't balance the books because the books are fiddled that much they will never balance, taking cash from English tax payers to fund a demented woman and her delusions of grandeur (First Minister President Sturgeon of Scotland) is insulting to the English people and the Scottish people.
Block Grant funding for the Scottish Government is the highest since devolution began at around £41 billion a year for 2022-2025. This means that for every £100 per person the UK Government spends in England on matters devolved to Scotland, the Scottish Government will receive around £126 per person in Scotland.
I tried to delete the bit that says Steve said. To make it clear it is what fairsociety says. Since they took power the Scottish Government has underspent every year. And the block grant is Scotland's own money and does not cost the English tax payer one penny. Would you care to correct that. www.gov.scot/publications/foi-19-02227/ |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 11, 2022 10:34:45 GMT
She's the Ian Paisley of Scotland, full of hatred for the English, does she realise how offense she is towards English people, I find her kind of politics is not wanted by any where in the UK. She's full of hate and bile, she should not be in charge of a main political party, Scotland deserve better. It's an odd one because I've never considered Scotland to be a diehard socialist place. Sure the Scots have their own mannerisms and cultural traits, but in no way do they pertain to this new woke kind of hard socialism. My understanding of a Scottish person is they are generally very measured in the was they see things. Sturgeon though is turning them militant. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 11, 2022 10:41:27 GMT
Sturgeon has a one-track mind on this. It is all she ever goes on about, but she's going to run out of road because the UK intentionally withheld the power she needs to split from England, and the Tories say once in a generation. I do not know if Starmer would give her one, but I doubt it. He's a responsible lawyer type of guy. jaydee said: Wrong the press keep ranting that this is all she goes on about . She made it clear that it was off till covid was under control. And that has now happened. But surprise surprise. It is her wish for the Scots to become a independent nation Meanwhile Ross has a one track mind. About a ferry problem that has now been sorted out. That cock up is about 000000000.000005% of what the cocks up of the Tory's have cost the Scottish tax payer since they took power. In terms of gold standard. Sterling is no longer the dominant worlds reserve currency. The U.S. dollar is now the world's dominant reserve currency, among other such currencies including the euro, the yen, the pound, the renminbi (RMB), the Canadian dollar, the Swiss franc, and the Australian dollar. I cannot make my mind up. If that is a good or bad thing. Me here:
I do not know if you know, but the Gold Standard was an almighty fuckup. The problem was the shortage of gold made the money supply too tight and borrowing was too expensive with limited money so it stifled business expansion and hence made the economies of all involved go south. Things only recovered once it was cancelled. This was the point of my OP. The jerk did not understand his economic history and thought the gold standard meant the best standard you can get. It was anything but!!!
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Post by jaydee on Oct 11, 2022 10:42:06 GMT
It's an odd one because I've never considered Scotland to be a diehard socialist place. Sure the Scots have their own mannerisms and cultural traits, but in no way do they pertain to this new woke kind of hard socialism. My understanding of a Scottish person is they are generally very measured in the was they see things. Sturgeon though is turning them militant. I replied to this post to see how it works. I deleted the bit that says fairsociety said. But when I edit and save it comes back up. How do you stop this |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 11, 2022 10:48:15 GMT
She's the Ian Paisley of Scotland, full of hatred for the English, does she realise how offense she is towards English people, I find her kind of politics is not wanted by any where in the UK. She's full of hate and bile, she should not be in charge of a main political party, Scotland deserve better. It's an odd one because I've never considered Scotland to be a diehard socialist place. Sure the Scots have their own mannerisms and cultural traits, but in no way do they pertain to this new woke kind of hard socialism. My understanding of a Scottish person is they are generally very measured in the was they see things. Sturgeon though is turning them militant. Scotland deserve better, this deranged woman is thinking only about her own ambitions and goals in life, while the people of Scotland (her own people) are suffering the consequences of her unhealthy obsession, if any one had a obsession like hers they'd be referred to a mental health department specialising in such fields. Sturgeon is destroying Scotland, and the sad part about it she wants 'Independence' so she can join Scotland back up with the EU.
Demented she is, utterly delusional and demented, I wouldn't put her in charge of a kids playground never mind a political party, she's dangerous.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 11, 2022 11:03:32 GMT
Yep, like one of those loose cannons. I felt Johnson was as well - as in a narcissist only interested in self-promotion and couldn't give a fuck about the consequences. |
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