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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 11, 2023 16:37:47 GMT
Seems to me that certain people on this thread are just trolling me for the sake of it, even though we are agreeing...
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Post by jonksy on Sept 11, 2023 16:39:11 GMT
Surely that is the whole point of incarceration for committing a crime - you lose some of your human rights? I advocated deporting them, not releasing them? LOL as long as they are not harmed and are handled with soft skin gloves.. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 11, 2023 16:40:37 GMT
I advocated deporting them, not releasing them? LOL as long as they are not harmed and are handled with soft skin gloves.. Did I say that or are you just making up shit to troll me? |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 11, 2023 16:43:56 GMT
LOL as long as they are not harmed and are handled with soft skin gloves.. Did I say that or are you just making up shit to troll me? words....It seems the trolling is from the usual bleading hearts... |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 11, 2023 16:48:51 GMT
Surely that is the whole point of incarceration for committing a crime - you lose some of your human rights? I advocated deporting them, not releasing them? You are missing the point. If you commit a crime then you are in the frame to lose some of your human rights - they are not sacrosanct. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 11, 2023 16:52:25 GMT
Seems to me that certain people on this thread are just trolling me for the sake of it, even though we are agreeing... Stop being paranoid we are just pointing out the flaw in your hypocrisy, you agree that Albanian criminals should be deported... great.. but if they are.
YOU quote>> "Indeed, apart from Somalia, Iran and Afghanistan, all the other top 20 countries I don't have an issue with".
Why should they ^^ be excluded?
A criminal is a criminal, the country they come from is immaterial, you make no sense saying a murdering rapist Albanian should be deported, but a murdering rapist Somalian, Iranian, Afghanistan should be allowed to stay .... WHY?
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 11, 2023 18:16:58 GMT
You cannot be that stupid, surely? 🤔 😳
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 11, 2023 18:21:14 GMT
Seems to me that certain people on this thread are just trolling me for the sake of it, even though we are agreeing... Stop being paranoid we are just pointing out the flaw in your hypocrisy, you agree that Albanian criminals should be deported... great.. but if they are.
YOU quote>> "Indeed, apart from Somalia, Iran and Afghanistan, all the other top 20 countries I don't have an issue with".
Why should they ^^ be excluded?
A criminal is a criminal, the country they come from is immaterial, you make no sense saying a murdering rapist Albanian should be deported, but a murdering rapist Somalian, Iranian, Afghanistan should be allowed to stay .... WHY?
You cannot be that stupid, surely? 🤔 😳 And? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 11, 2023 20:51:49 GMT
I do if they are 'criminals', we should not have foreign prisoners clogging up our system, and I don't care if they are Somalia, Iran, or Afghanistan the moment they become criminals they should lose all rights to be UK citizens, and should be deported from whence they came. You've misunderstood the issue, we are not talking about British Citizens, we are talking about foreign nationals. Reading the post in question, what i see is an opinion that no foreign citizen convicted of a criminal act so heinous as to warrant, indeed require, a custodial sentence, should cause both deportation from this country and delivery to the authorities of their state of origin, and also disqualify them from any eligibility of any kind for application for british citizenship. I wholly support such. I see no reason for foreigners found guilty of felonious conduct to have any expectation of this state’s mercy in their condition. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 11, 2023 21:03:04 GMT
Well I suppose that rather depends whether you're a foreign criminal, and illegal immigrant, or a law abiding British citizen. Hmm. Isn't the idea of human rights is that it should apply to all humans? Otherwise what you are talking about isn't really all human rights, but only some humans rights. well of course the precedent SET by the FORFEITURE ACT was that while criminals found guilty of criminal acts tantamount to misdemeanour in US legislation were still able to benefit from certain rights and protections, and rightly so, those convicted of FELONIOUS conduct forfeited those rights and protections by reason of the heinous nature of their crime. The HRA has royally queered that pitch and prevented the state from fully implementing punishments those conducts deserve. But then again for reasons of personal experience i am only too happy for those found guilty of such bestial conduct to be put down as the animals they have manifestly shown themselves to be. Deplete the sodium, hike the potassium and screw administering the painkiller, i say. Makes it much cheaper as well as providing a punishment far mire closely resembling the crime. But then again, i’d use curare. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 11, 2023 21:05:03 GMT
I advocated deporting them, not releasing them? You are missing the point. If you commit a crime then you are in the frame to lose some of your human rights - they are not sacrosanct. as per my last post, i agree absolutely. The problem is a load of lawyers of the type exemplified by Blair’s odious bitch are allowed to piss on that principle. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 12, 2023 0:07:00 GMT
You are missing the point. If you commit a crime then you are in the frame to lose some of your human rights - they are not sacrosanct. as per my last post, i agree absolutely. The problem is a load of lawyers of the type exemplified by Blair’s odious bitch are allowed to piss on that principle. Why were these two tried here? They should have been shipped back to France as the crime was commited there. The usual lefty lbleedig heart lawyers get their own way and UK taxpayers have to pick ut the tab. And I bet the sentences would have been far more harsher in France.
Shocking video shows Channel migrants attacking French officers trying to stop their crossing with makeshift weapons and rocks - as pair are jailed after being detained at Dover
Salih Taib Abdullah and Ahmed Omar Saleh Khater were arrested in Dover
The two migrants were both sentenced to more than a year in prison
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 12, 2023 1:23:25 GMT
You've misunderstood the issue, we are not talking about British Citizens, we are talking about foreign nationals. Reading the post in question, what i see is an opinion that no foreign citizen convicted of a criminal act so heinous as to warrant, indeed require, a custodial sentence, should cause both deportation from this country and delivery to the authorities of their state of origin, and also disqualify them from any eligibility of any kind for application for british citizenship. I wholly support such. I see no reason for foreigners found guilty of felonious conduct to have any expectation of this state’s mercy in their condition. That ^ JoG, is mad, not because you're wrong quite the reverse, but because as little as 20 to 30 years ago your comments would have been considered common sense and not just by Conservatives. These days, a picosecond in time later, it's all change. An African murderer who raped a child in Germany and in the execution of a street robbery in London stabbed his victim, is afforded the entire might of the legal system. He has left wing lawyers who at public expense quote chapter and verse from 'international law' that he cant possibly be returned to wherever he claims to come from. It's so stupid it's laughable. Over the past 20 years or so thanks to EU influence politics in this country has gone so far to the left it's mad, and with forced mass immigration, woke, ESG a cashless society and globalism, the government have a very short window of opportunity to get the surveillance society in place before the majority wise up. It doesn't matter whether Labour or the Tories win the next election, people need to wise up. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 12, 2023 9:51:15 GMT
The very simple and guaranteed effective solution is to repeal the Human Rights Act. That is, turn the clock back to 1997 as far as human rights are concerned. As far as repealing the Human Rights Act is concerned I couldn't agree more, it should be repealed. Why you think it would turn the human rights clock back is something of a mystery. All Labours HRA did was give further rights and freedoms already guaranteed under the European Convention on Human Rights and is a charter for cowboy human rights lawyers. That's not true. The principal function of the HRA was to enable claimants to litigate in British courts rather than in Strasbourg.
The HRA itself confers no additional rights.
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 12, 2023 10:03:29 GMT
You've misunderstood the issue, we are not talking about British Citizens, we are talking about foreign nationals. Reading the post in question, what i see is an opinion that no foreign citizen convicted of a criminal act so heinous as to warrant, indeed require, a custodial sentence, should cause both deportation from this country and delivery to the authorities of their state of origin, and also disqualify them from any eligibility of any kind for application for british citizenship. I wholly support such. I see no reason for foreigners found guilty of felonious conduct to have any expectation of this state’s mercy in their condition. The fundamental problem is that Parliament disagrees with you. The legislation that provides for 'automatic' deportation orders for foreign criminals is so riddled with loopholes and escape hatches that it is child's play for any competent lawyer to spring their client.
Underpinning everything, of course, and providing the get-out of last resort is the Human Rights Act.
None of this is accidental or unintentional.
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