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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 10, 2023 14:48:44 GMT
West Midlands Police are investigating after three people were bitten by a dog in Birmingham. An 11-year-old girl ran past the dog as it was being walked by its owner in Bordesley Green on Saturday when she was bitten. Two men tried to intervene but they were also bitten and left with arm and shoulder injuries. All three victims were taken to hospital for treatment. Quite a graphic clip in the link - metro.co.uk/2023/09/10/birmingham-girl-bitten-dog-19476366/?ico=mosaic_newsAnd again an American 'bully' dog is in the news. Is it time to ban the breed, or to punish irresponsible owners more effectively?
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Post by Handyman on Sept 10, 2023 15:32:06 GMT
West Midlands Police are investigating after three people were bitten by a dog in Birmingham. An 11-year-old girl ran past the dog as it was being walked by its owner in Bordesley Green on Saturday when she was bitten. Two men tried to intervene but they were also bitten and left with arm and shoulder injuries. All three victims were taken to hospital for treatment. Quite a graphic clip in the link - metro.co.uk/2023/09/10/birmingham-girl-bitten-dog-19476366/?ico=mosaic_newsAnd again an American 'bully' dog is in the news. Is it time to ban the breed, or to punish irresponsible owners more effectively? Both
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 10, 2023 15:50:11 GMT
West Midlands Police are investigating after three people were bitten by a dog in Birmingham. An 11-year-old girl ran past the dog as it was being walked by its owner in Bordesley Green on Saturday when she was bitten. Two men tried to intervene but they were also bitten and left with arm and shoulder injuries. All three victims were taken to hospital for treatment. Quite a graphic clip in the link - metro.co.uk/2023/09/10/birmingham-girl-bitten-dog-19476366/?ico=mosaic_newsAnd again an American 'bully' dog is in the news. Is it time to ban the breed, or to punish irresponsible owners more effectively? Both Mmmm possibly. I'm more in favour of punishing irresponsible owners than banning dogs. I know the American bully is an intimidating looking dog, but it's still a dog that makes a great pet, if it has responsible owners... ... this well-rounded dog was specifically bred to have a low fighting drive and yet still retain a muscular, athletic build. The American bully is a confident dog, not prone to skittish or unpredictable behaviour, making it a great family pet.
The World Animal Foundation.
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Post by Ripley on Sept 10, 2023 16:33:16 GMT
Mmmm possibly. I'm more in favour of punishing irresponsible owners than banning dogs. I know the American bully is an intimidating looking dog, but it's still a dog that makes a great pet, if it has responsible owners... ... this well-rounded dog was specifically bred to have a low fighting drive and yet still retain a muscular, athletic build. The American bully is a confident dog, not prone to skittish or unpredictable behaviour, making it a great family pet.
The World Animal Foundation.
The American bully was bred as a companion dog but a level of dog-to-dog aggression is apparently characteristic of the breed. It's a powerful animal whose parent breed was the American Pit Bull Terrier and its bloodlines also include American and English bull dogs and the Olde English Bulldogge. With proper breeding and good training, this dog should be a nice companion. Ill-bred, improperly trained American Bully dogs can be an uncontrollable force. It's the owners who need education about the breed (the better to avoid being hoodwinked by unscrupulous breeders), and training in how to train and manage these powerful animals. I would like to see some sort of license requirement for people who want to own breeds like this. In my opinion, training should be required so that owners can demonstrate their ability to keep a powerful breed like this under voice control.
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Post by wapentake on Sept 10, 2023 20:18:09 GMT
I’d ban the breed,love dogs always had one from being a kid and still do but humans come first and attacks like this will continue till they are.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 10, 2023 21:17:26 GMT
Rottweiler, Bullmastiff, German Shepherd they are all powerful dogs, even smaller breeds like Bull Terriers are powerful dogs. We cant ban them all, nor should we. In my opinion the penalties for irresponsible dog owners should be more severe. I'm not a fan of bringing back dog licences because only responsible law abiding dog owners will bother with them and they're not the problem.
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Post by wapentake on Sept 10, 2023 22:00:23 GMT
Rottweiler, Bullmastiff, German Shepherd they are all powerful dogs, even smaller breeds like Bull Terriers are powerful dogs. We cant ban them all, nor should we. In my opinion the penalties for irresponsible dog owners should be more severe. I'm not a fan of bringing back dog licences because only responsible law abiding dog owners will bother with them and they're not the problem. I didn’t say ban them all and of course other breeds can turn they are at the end of the day animals,very recently a police GSD was shot because it turned on its handler.
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 11, 2023 0:14:57 GMT
The problem with the "punish the irresponsible owner" narrative is that the damage has already been done.
I'm a dog owner, but I really can't see the point in ordinary people owning big powerful dogs. The issue is not whether you think they are aggressive or not, the issue is the amount of damage the dog can inflict, and can you actually stop the dog if it decides to attack somebody (or yourself).
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Post by Handyman on Sept 11, 2023 11:56:52 GMT
Mmmm possibly. I'm more in favour of punishing irresponsible owners than banning dogs. I know the American bully is an intimidating looking dog, but it's still a dog that makes a great pet, if it has responsible owners... ... this well-rounded dog was specifically bred to have a low fighting drive and yet still retain a muscular, athletic build. The American bully is a confident dog, not prone to skittish or unpredictable behaviour, making it a great family pet.
The World Animal Foundation.
IMHO as a dog lover and we have had dogs over the years, it six of one and half a dozen of the other, there are some bad owners of dogs , yes all dogs can pose a threat to people and other dogs if they are not trained properly and looked after properly, our son has three dogs one is a Belgian Mastiff built like a tank but as soppy as anything, his Dachshund is a nasty piece of work and sneaky with it
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 11, 2023 12:07:34 GMT
Mmmm possibly. I'm more in favour of punishing irresponsible owners than banning dogs. I know the American bully is an intimidating looking dog, but it's still a dog that makes a great pet, if it has responsible owners... ... this well-rounded dog was specifically bred to have a low fighting drive and yet still retain a muscular, athletic build. The American bully is a confident dog, not prone to skittish or unpredictable behaviour, making it a great family pet.
The World Animal Foundation.
IMHO as a dog lover and we have had dogs over the years, it six of one and half a dozen of the other, there are some bad owners of dogs , yes all dogs can pose a threat to people and other dogs if they are not trained properly and looked after properly, our son has three dogs one is a Belgian Mastiff built like a tank but as soppy as anything, his Dachshund is a nasty piece of work and sneaky with it I have a similar story, we used to have a beautiful Rotty, she was the friendliest dog in the world and liked nothing more than to play with the kids in the garden. On the other hand my brother had a nasty snappy little Jack Russell that would attack anyone who stepped into his house. I warned my brother more than once that if it went for my feet one more time I'd convert the bloody thing through the window.
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Post by Handyman on Sept 11, 2023 15:26:46 GMT
A four-year-old girl has died in a dog attack in Milton Keynes, police said.
Officers attended a house on Broadlands in Netherfield on Tuesday evening after it was reported a dog had attacked a child in the back garden.
Thames Valley Police confirmed the girl died at the scene and the animal had been "humanely destroyed".
A spokesman for the force described the attack, which happened at about 17:00 GMT, as a "tragic incident". No arrests have been made.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 11, 2023 15:50:56 GMT
The problem with the "punish the irresponsible owner" narrative is that the damage has already been done. I'm a dog owner, but I really can't see the point in ordinary people owning big powerful dogs. The issue is not whether you think they are aggressive or not, the issue is the amount of damage the dog can inflict, and can you actually stop the dog if it decides to attack somebody (or yourself). You cant see the point in 'ordinary people' owning large powerful dogs! I don't quite follow, what sort of people in your opinion should own large powerful dogs? Would you describe a Labrador as a large powerful dog?
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Post by Ripley on Sept 11, 2023 16:07:17 GMT
Dogs in general benefit from early training. Some powerful dogs can potentially be dangerous if mistreated, ill-bred, and/or inadequately/improperly trained. For the sake of public safety, could potential owners be required to possess a certain level of knowledge about the breed they intend to obtain, and assessed as to their competence before they're allowed to own one ? In my neighbourhood everyone steers clear of a tiny woman who walks a huge German Shepherd who is very protective of her and probably equals her weight. I can only hope that he is reliably under voice control, because in the event he should get into an altercation, I would be astonished if his tiny owner could manage to physically restrain him.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 11, 2023 16:52:06 GMT
Dogs in general benefit from early training. Some powerful dogs can potentially be dangerous if mistreated, ill-bred, and/or inadequately/improperly trained. For the sake of public safety, could potential owners be required to possess a certain level of knowledge about the breed they intend to obtain, and assessed as to their competence before they're allowed to own one ? In my neighbourhood everyone steers clear of a tiny woman who walks a huge German Shepherd who is very protective of her and probably equals her weight. I can only hope that he is reliably under voice control, because in the event he should get into an altercation, I would be astonished if his tiny owner could manage to physically restrain him. I couldn't agree more, all dogs but particularly large dogs definately need to be properly socialised and trained at an early age. Someone who doesn't have the time or patience to do this should obviously not have any dog, particularly a large dog. Problem is the kind of people who choose pitbull/bully type dogs use them as a weapon or a badge of honour. What's to be done about these people? I don't know, but it seems unfair to penalise a dog or a responsible owner because of the dogs breed.
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Post by Ripley on Sept 11, 2023 17:52:06 GMT
Dogs in general benefit from early training. Some powerful dogs can potentially be dangerous if mistreated, ill-bred, and/or inadequately/improperly trained. For the sake of public safety, could potential owners be required to possess a certain level of knowledge about the breed they intend to obtain, and assessed as to their competence before they're allowed to own one ? In my neighbourhood everyone steers clear of a tiny woman who walks a huge German Shepherd who is very protective of her and probably equals her weight. I can only hope that he is reliably under voice control, because in the event he should get into an altercation, I would be astonished if his tiny owner could manage to physically restrain him. I couldn't agree more, all dogs but particularly large dogs definately need to be properly socialised and trained at an early age. Someone who doesn't have the time or patience to do this should obviously not have any dog, particularly a large dog. Problem is the kind of people who choose pitbull/bully type dogs use them as a weapon or a badge of honour. What's to be done about these people? I don't know, but it seems unfair to penalise a dog or a responsible owner because of the dogs breed. I don't think that dog breeds should be penalised as a group. There's a short window of opportunity for socializing puppies early on in life, and in my opinion it's especially important to address that if your puppy is going to become powerfully muscular. Ideally, owners of potentially dangerous dogs should have to qualify as fit to handle these animals and keep them reliably under voice control. Responsible owners wouldn't mind educating themselves about the breed they own and putting in the time and effort to socialize and train their dogs early or have them professionally trained if need be. Anyone who opts out of taking responsibility for the care, socialization and training of such a dog shouldn't be allowed to have this type of dog. It's just not fair to the animal.
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