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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 11, 2023 18:18:09 GMT
I couldn't agree more, all dogs but particularly large dogs definately need to be properly socialised and trained at an early age. Someone who doesn't have the time or patience to do this should obviously not have any dog, particularly a large dog. Problem is the kind of people who choose pitbull/bully type dogs use them as a weapon or a badge of honour. What's to be done about these people? I don't know, but it seems unfair to penalise a dog or a responsible owner because of the dogs breed. I don't think that dog breeds should be penalised as a group. There's a short window of opportunity for socializing puppies early on in life, and in my opinion it's especially important to address that if your puppy is going to become powerfully muscular. Ideally, owners of potentially dangerous dogs should have to qualify as fit to handle these animals and keep them reliably under voice control. Responsible owners wouldn't mind educating themselves about the breed they own and putting in the time and effort to socialize and train their dogs early or have them professionally trained if need be. Anyone who opts out of taking responsibility for the care, socialization and training of such a dog shouldn't be allowed to have this type of dog. It's just not fair to the animal. A brief anecdote. Some years ago Mrs R and I bought a Rottweiler puppy from a reputable KC registered breeder. We visited the breeders home and viewed the puppies with the sire and dam, and we were quite satisfied. However the breeder was concerned because we truthfully said we had never had a dog of any sort before, he was perhaps understandably worried that we were taking on more than we could handle. I assured him we could cope and invited him to visit our home to satisfy himself that the puppy would be in a comfortable caring environment, which he did. We bought the puppy and the breeder gave us lots of advice both verbal and written. For a few months, cant remember how long for, Mrs R took our adorable Rotty puppy to obedience classes, and for the next 11 years Jasmine was an absolute joy. She was in every sense the perfect dog, the perfect pet. She was big for a girl but we never had the slightest hint of trouble with her. And that's because she was socialised, trained and much loved.  |
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Post by Ripley on Sept 11, 2023 18:51:43 GMT
I don't think that dog breeds should be penalised as a group. There's a short window of opportunity for socializing puppies early on in life, and in my opinion it's especially important to address that if your puppy is going to become powerfully muscular. Ideally, owners of potentially dangerous dogs should have to qualify as fit to handle these animals and keep them reliably under voice control. Responsible owners wouldn't mind educating themselves about the breed they own and putting in the time and effort to socialize and train their dogs early or have them professionally trained if need be. Anyone who opts out of taking responsibility for the care, socialization and training of such a dog shouldn't be allowed to have this type of dog. It's just not fair to the animal. A brief anecdote. Some years ago Mrs R and I bought a Rottweiler puppy from a reputable KC registered breeder. We visited the breeders home and viewed the puppies with the sire and dam, and we were quite satisfied. However the breeder was concerned because we truthfully said we had never had a dog of any sort before, he was perhaps understandably worried that we were taking on more than we could handle. I assured him we could cope and invited him to visit our home to satisfy himself that the puppy would be in a comfortable caring environment, which he did. We bought the puppy and the breeder gave us lots of advice both verbal and written. For a few months, cant remember how long for, Mrs R took our adorable Rotty puppy to obedience classes, and for the next 11 years Jasmine was an absolute joy. She was in every sense the perfect dog, the perfect pet. She was big for a girl but we never had the slightest hint of trouble with her. And that's because she was socialised, trained and much loved. That's a good looking Rottweiler. Was she Daddy's girl? She was lucky to have good owners and a breeder who cared about where to place her. Some breeders are unscrupulous. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 11, 2023 19:13:13 GMT
That's a good looking Rottweiler. Was she Daddy's girl? She was lucky to have good owners and a breeder who cared about where to place her. Some breeders are unscrupulous. Thank you, yes she was Daddy's girl. I was filling up writing that. |
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Post by Ripley on Sept 11, 2023 19:22:23 GMT
That's a good looking Rottweiler. Was she Daddy's girl? She was lucky to have good owners and a breeder who cared about where to place her. Some breeders are unscrupulous. Thank you, yes she was Daddy's girl. I was filling up writing that. They don't live nearly long enough. That's definitely the downside of pet ownership. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 11, 2023 20:16:06 GMT
Thank you, yes she was Daddy's girl. I was filling up writing that. They don't live nearly long enough. That's definitely the downside of pet ownership. Yes it is very hard to say goodbye to them |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 11, 2023 21:35:55 GMT
With our tenth dog now though that’s from being a young kid with some breaks after losing a well loved dog and vowing can’t do that again.
Best dog ever was a rescue thought to be about 7 years old when we got him absolute diamond,longest lived was over 17 when he went.
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 11, 2023 23:50:17 GMT
The problem with the "punish the irresponsible owner" narrative is that the damage has already been done. I'm a dog owner, but I really can't see the point in ordinary people owning big powerful dogs. The issue is not whether you think they are aggressive or not, the issue is the amount of damage the dog can inflict, and can you actually stop the dog if it decides to attack somebody (or yourself). You cant see the point in 'ordinary people' owning large powerful dogs! I don't quite follow, what sort of people in your opinion should own large powerful dogs? Would you describe a Labrador as a large powerful dog? Nobody... they should only be owned by licensed security personnel. It is literally the same argument with guns in America. You can make silly comments about Labradors, but the fact is YOU would not be able to stop certain breeds if they decide to attack. What is hard to understand about that? Is children being ripped apart just collateral in your eyes? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 12, 2023 0:27:30 GMT
You cant see the point in 'ordinary people' owning large powerful dogs! I don't quite follow, what sort of people in your opinion should own large powerful dogs? Would you describe a Labrador as a large powerful dog? Nobody... they should only be owned by licensed security personnel. It is literally the same argument with guns in America. You can make silly comments about Labradors, but the fact is YOU would not be able to stop certain breeds if they decide to attack. What is hard to understand about that? Is children being ripped apart just collateral in your eyes? No, you're wrong. Honestly, you're wrong. Conflating dog attacks in this country, or any country, to guns in America is ridiculous. It's a different discussion. Most dog attacks in this country are by Labradors. This is likely because there are a lot of them, they are very popular dogs. If a dog attacked a child it would make no difference whether it was an American bully or a Labrador, or a thousand other breeds. Dogs regardless of breed are like people, if they are brought up properly they are fine. |
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 12, 2023 0:58:12 GMT
Nobody... they should only be owned by licensed security personnel. It is literally the same argument with guns in America. You can make silly comments about Labradors, but the fact is YOU would not be able to stop certain breeds if they decide to attack. What is hard to understand about that? Is children being ripped apart just collateral in your eyes? No, you're wrong. Honestly, you're wrong. Conflating dog attacks in this country, or any country, to guns in America is ridiculous. It's a different discussion. Most dog attacks in this country are by Labradors. This is likely because there are a lot of them, they are very popular dogs. If a dog attacked a child it would make no difference whether it was an American bully or a Labrador, or a thousand other breeds. Dogs regardless of breed are like people, if they are brought up properly they are fine. lol it is exactly the same. You are literally making the case that big powerful dogs are safe in the hands of careful owners, just like idiot Americans excuse their levels of gun ownership. A XL Bully is like a gun, and a Labrador is like a kid's plastic sword, what would you rather be attacked by? You really can't be this thick, it is the damage a big power dog can cause that is the problem... because it is more likely to result in serious injury and death. Why you do keep waffling on about Labradors, when there has been zero deaths attributed to them? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 12, 2023 1:47:26 GMT
No kidding, ffs talk about stating the obvious. There are dangerous people in this country, more so now than ever. Should we execute people with certain traits? People who have no respect for life, people who gang rape children, people who form gangs and attack people in the street and consider street crime and looting to be just another day. How many people in this country were killed by dogs last year? Compare that figure to the number of people who were stabbed to death in London alone. In this country, regardless of breed, dogs are not the problem. Anyone who thinks dangerous dogs are the most important issue are genuinely clueless, or lefties who refuse to see common sense. If I lived in Londonistan, or any wonderfully diverse and multicultural inner city shit tip, I'd far sooner stumble upon a large dog than a gang of feral thugs that's for sure. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 12, 2023 2:11:39 GMT
They don't live nearly long enough. That's definitely the downside of pet ownership. Yes it is very hard to say goodbye to them I don't want to get dramatic, people who have been there, and I suspect that's most people, know what it's like to lose their dog. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 12, 2023 8:37:30 GMT
It is why we no longer wish to have a dog
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 12, 2023 23:16:44 GMT
No kidding, ffs talk about stating the obvious. There are dangerous people in this country, more so now than ever. Should we execute people with certain traits? People who have no respect for life, people who gang rape children, people who form gangs and attack people in the street and consider street crime and looting to be just another day. How many people in this country were killed by dogs last year? Compare that figure to the number of people who were stabbed to death in London alone. In this country, regardless of breed, dogs are not the problem. Anyone who thinks dangerous dogs are the most important issue are genuinely clueless, or lefties who refuse to see common sense. If I lived in Londonistan, or any wonderfully diverse and multicultural inner city shit tip, I'd far sooner stumble upon a large dog than a gang of feral thugs that's for sure. Ah ok, so you are ok with people being killed by dogs... as long as it is just 10 a year. Let's be honest, wanting a big dog to feel like more of a man is not really a good reason to have one. |
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